check the sticky on the top of this page that talks about harmonics. that track's key may be in there and you can find other tracks that will go well.

although i dont know why you would include a 4 year old track on a promo mix.

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Originally posted by CosmoKid although i dont know why you would include a 4 year old track on a promo mix.

What's the big deal?

Doesn't promo come from "promote" and/or "promotional". If he's trying to "promote" his mix, why can't he put a song on there that's 4 years old? I've heard "Promo mixes" from a lot of DJ's and not every single track was hot off the press or unreleased.

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Originally posted by ChoonSeeker What's the big deal? Doesn't promo come from "promote" and/or "promotional". If he's trying to "promote" his mix, why can't he put a song on there that's 4 years old? I've heard "Promo mixes" from a lot of DJ's and not every single track was hot off the press or unreleased.

Thanks mate, I don't know what is the matter with TAs these days, they dismiss excellent mixes as bad just because they contain a few old tracks. It's not like I have to explain my reasons for including that song, but I'm gonna anyway.

I don't know if you noticed, but I live in Guatemala, in which the EDM scene is still (gratefully) underground and taking baby steps, so it doesn't matter if I include Energy 52 - Cafe del Mar in a mix because surely to 99.9% of the audience it will sound like a "hot new track"!

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Originally posted by woscar99 Thanks mate, I don't know what is the matter with TAs these days, they dismiss excellent mixes as bad just because they contain a few old tracks. It's not like I have to explain my reasons for including that song, but I'm gonna anyway. I don't know if you noticed, but I live in Guatemala, in which the EDM scene is still (gratefully) underground and taking baby steps, so it doesn't matter if I include Energy 52 - Cafe del Mar in a mix because surely to 99.9% of the audience it will sound like a "hot new track"!

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Thanks mate, I don't know what is the matter with TAs these days, they dismiss excellent mixes as bad just because they contain a few old tracks. It's not like I have to explain my reasons for including that song, but I'm gonna anyway.

oh man! some of the oldies dont have the production values of newer tracks - but by god they had it! whatever it was! i still dont know what it is! they just have something. listening to some old skoolers right now. one of em (sort of old skool) charley t - elevate your mind aint gonna win any awards for production. but the riff is simple. melancholic and darkly euphoric. i love it. same as how peeps in hard house circles still rinse base graffiti - house always wins. its getting on a bit and showing its age in production terms but that tune destroys slinky every time ive seen it played there. as in - comparable to the aftermath of a battlefield.

+ there are some really really old skool hardcore tracks which i still think are riff monsters...WHOOAAAAAARRRGH!!!!!

castle trancelot - indoctrinate is on next. oh baby...

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Originally posted by woscar99 I don't know if you noticed, but I live in Guatemala, in which the EDM scene is still (gratefully) underground and taking baby steps, so it doesn't matter if I include Energy 52 - Cafe del Mar in a mix because surely to 99.9% of the audience it will sound like a "hot new track"!

That made me laugh

ahhhhhhhhh!! there goes *THAT* bassline! damn you guys have got me in the mood for going back in time and revisiting some musical vistas that havent been visited in a bit.

baby doc & the dentist - tales of the seraphim i think. hallucinogen - lsd after that. then lets break out the elstak. THE REEEAAAALLL. HARRRRRDCOOOOOOOOORE!!!

trust me, i am not saying i dont understand the production values of older tracks. i love that tune. love the vocal. i was just asking why you were putting it on a demo/promo mix. and you answered that.

as much of "whats wrong with ta's" nowadays, i will also say that some people are a bit sensitive. i pointed you in the direction of the harmonics thread (your welcome) and merely asked why you were putting a 4 year old song on a promo mix.

i did not say...

why the fuck would you put some old ass track on a promo mix. what are you promoing, outdated shit? fuckin newb.

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Originally posted by CosmoKid trust me, i am not saying i dont understand the production values of older tracks. i love that tune. love the vocal. i was just asking why you were putting it on a demo/promo mix. and you answered that. as much of "whats wrong with ta's" nowadays, i will also say that some people are a bit sensitive. i pointed you in the direction of the harmonics thread (your welcome) and merely asked why you were putting a 4 year old song on a promo mix. i did not say... why the fuck would you put some old ass track on a promo mix. what are you promoing, outdated shit? fuckin newb. :

Ok, I apologize, but this is not the first time I've asked something like this and in numerous occasions I've been flamed, that's why I reacted like that. And yeah, I never did thanked you for pointing me towards the harmonics thread.

NP.

here are the songs in the same key....

Am (8A) Rapid Eye - Circa-Forever (r.e.mix)
Am (8A) Modulation – Spirits (Cosmicman Remix)
Am (8A) Matt Darey & Marcella Woods – Voice of an Angel (Michael Woods vs Matt Darey Remix)
Am (8A) Agnelli & Nelson feat. Aureas - Holding Onto Nothing (Original Paul van Dyk Edit)
Am (8A) Blank & Jones – Watching the Waves (Ambient Mix)
Am (8A) Paul van Dyk feat. Vega 4 – Time of our Lives (Starecase Remix)
Am (8A) Project Medusa vs. Exor – Eclipse (Donald & Giles Vocal Mix)
Am (8A) Koglin / UTO – Time (BK Mix)
Am (8A) Marco V – C:/Del*mp3
Am (8A) Marco V – Solarize
Am (8A) Mono – Rise (Original Mix)
Am (8A) Mono – Rise (Smith & Pledger Remix)
Am (8A) Oceanlab – Satellite (Original Above & Beyond Mix)
Am (8A) Perpetuous Dreamer – Future Fun Land 2004 (Side A-139)
Am (8A) DJ Tiesto feat. BT – Love Comes Again (Original 12’’ Mix)
Am (8A) Digital Tension feat. Talla 2XLC – Symphony of Tomorrow (Ronski Speed Remix)
Am (8A) Alex M.O.R.P.H. – Flaming Clouds (Instrumental Mix)
Am (8A) Blank & Jones – Watching the Waves (Original Mix)
Am (8A) Delerium feat. Sarah Mclaughlin – Silence (DJ Tiesto’s In Search of Sunrise Remix)
Am (8A) John 00 Fleming – Finnished
Am (8A) Shark – Gash
Am (8A) Andain – Beautiful Things (Photon Project Remix)
Am (8A) Armin van Buuren – Communication
Am (8A) Armin van Buuren – Astronauts
Am (8A) Lost Tribe – Gamemaster (Lee Haslam’s Tidy Two Remix)
Am (8A) Lange – I Believe (Tandu Mix)
Am (8A) Lange – Follow Me (Agnelli & Nelson Remix)
Am (8A) Beam & Yanou – The Free Fall (The Exposition)
Am (8A) Beam & Yanou – The Free Fall (The Opus)
Am (8A) Lustral – Everytime (Mike Koglin Remix)
Am (8A) Paul Van Dyk feat. Second Sun – Crush (PVD Remix)
Am (8A) Paul Van Dyk feat. Second Sun – Crush (Vandit Club Mix)
Am (8A) Paul Van Dyk feat. Second Sun – Crush (PVD Original Mix)
Am (8A) C-sharp – The Quest
Am (8A) Salt Tank – Eugina (Pacific Diva)
Am (8A) Salt Tank – Eugina (Sargasso Sea)
Am (8A) BT – The Great Escape (Attention Deficit Mix)
Am (8A) Benz & MD – Dilation (Original Mix)
Am (8A) Benz & MD – Dilation (G-Pal Remix)
Am (8A) Dumonde – Cold (X900 Mix)
Am (8A) Steve Birch – Lost Forever
Am (8A) Steve Birch – Spaced Out
Am (8A) Sensensation - Sensation the Anthem 2004
Am (8A) Age Of Love - Age Of Love (Mr.Sam Vs Fred Baker Mix)
Am (8A) Oceanlab - Satellite (Markus Schul'z Cold Harbor Mix)
Am (8A) DJ Ton T.B. - Electronic Malfunction (DJ Cor Fijneman's Outsanding Remix)
Am (8A) DJ Ton T.B. - Electronic Malfunction
Am (8A) GTR - Reason To Believe
Am (8A) GTR - Reason To Believe (Gareth Emory Remix)
Am (8A) Blank & Jones - Perfect Silence (Martin Roth Hard Trance Remix)
Am (8A) Blank & Jones - Perfect Silence (Perry O'Neil Remix)
Am (8A) Coast 2 Coast feat. Discovery (DJ Tiesto Remix)
Am (8A) Coast 2 Coast feat. Discovery (Gequenza Remix)
Am (8A) Coast 2 Coast feat. Discovery (Gequenze Dub)
Am (8A) Blank & Jones - Perfect Silence (Original Mix)
Am (8A) Blank & Jones - Perfect Silence (Club Mix)
Am (8A) Kites - Ultraviolet
Am (8A) Banco De Gaia - Last Train To Lhasa
Am (8A) Fuzzy Logic - Obsession (Featuring Eirie)
Am (8A) Led Zepplin - Babe I'm Gonna Leave You
Am (8A) Conjure One Feat. Sinead O'Connor - Tears From The Moon (Tiesto In Search Of Sunrise Remix)
Am (8A) Alto - Rush
Am (8A) Mirco De Govia - Voller Sterne (Micro De Govia Remix)
Am (8A) Calling The Freak (M.I.K.E.) - Ecology
Am (8A) Syndique - Lost Thoughts (Envio Remix)
Am (8A) Syndique - Lost Thoughts (Original Mix)
Am (8A) Radiohead - Street (Tiesto Remix)
Am (8A) Dance 2 Trance - Hello San Francisco (Katakana Remix)
Am (8A) Sonorous - Last Sunday - Last Sunday (Sonorous' Unimatrix Zero Mix)
Am (8A) Talla 2xlc Ft Ely - Air That I Breathe
Am (8A) Kobbe & Austin Leeds - Fusing Love (Original Mix)
Am (8A) DJ Tiesto - Ancient History
Am (8A) Tiesto & Junkie XL - Obsession (Filterheadz Remix)
Am (8A) Tiesto & Junkie XL - Obsession (Frank Biazzi Remix)
Am (8A) Paul Van Dyk / Peter Heppner - Wir Sind Wir (Club Mix)
Am (8A) DJ Tiesto - Lethal Industry (Fred Numf Vs. Etienne Overdijk Remix)
Am (8A) DJ Tiesto - Lethal Industry (Svenson & Gielen Remix)
Am (8A) DJ Tiesto - Lethal Industry
Am (8A) Andain - Beautiful Things (Josh Gabriel Mix)
Am (8A) Art Of Trance - Love Washes Over (Airwave Remix)
Am (8A) Tiesto - Just Be (Antillas Remix)
Am (8A) Ghostland Feat Sinead O'Connor - Guide Me God (Voltraxx Remix)
Am (8A) Ghostland Feat Sinead O'Connor - Guide Me God (Paul Van Dyk Remix)
Am (8A) Stefan Mone - Beautiful Ways (Misja Helsloot Remix)
Am (8A) Stefan Mone - Beautiful Ways
Am (8A) Estuera - 7 Clouds
Am (8A) Robert Gitelman - As You Wish
Am (8A) Saviour - Solar Flare
Am (8A) Duncan Sheik - On A High (Love From Humbolt Vocal)
Am (8A) Miro - By Your Side (Ronski Speed Dub)
Am (8A) Miro - By Your Side (Ronski Speed Mix)
Am (8A) Miro - By Your Side (Sonorous Bright Side Mix)
Am (8A) Manipura - Halycon Days
Am (8A) Pulser - Cloudwalking (2002 Re-edit)
Am (8A) M.I.K.E. - Sunrise at Palamos
Am (8A) Peter Martin - Perfect Wave
Am (8A) Vimana - We Came
Am (8A) Sweet Pussy Pauline - Heads, Tits & Ass (Armin van Buuren Dub)
Am (8A) James Holden - Horizons (Way Out West Remix)
Am (8A) Ricky Le Roy - One Day (Big Bass Mix)
Am (8A) Peter McCowan - N.E.T. (Never Enough Time)
Am (8A) DJ Cor Finjeman - Venus (DJ Tiesto Remix)
Am (8A) DJ Tiesto - Forever Today
Am (8A) Mk-S, Robert Nickson - Fallback
Am (8A) Matt Hardwick vs. Smith & Pledger - Connected (Vocal Mix)


any of these will soung good with tears....

also, someone who knows more about harmonics can tell you more about what key(s) will go well with this.

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Originally posted by CosmoKid here are the songs in the same key.... snip any of these will soung good with tears.... also, someone who knows more about harmonics can tell you more about what key(s) will go well with this.

The problem is that you have to match the key AND the tempo (to a degree). I think the Tiesto remix is about 137 BPM so you want to find another track that is in same key and a similar BPM (say +/- 3).
You don't have to mix into the exact same key, you can either go into the perfect fourth (Dm in this case) or the perfect fifth (Em). These will still sound good even though they are different notes. Of course these are really rules of thumb, because two tracks are in the same key does not mean they will mix perfectly (but it does help narrow the field). You can also try mixing into the relative major (C major) but it is tough to find trance tracks in major keys (Airbase tends to do it though).

So in review, from the above list Aalto - Rush would be a better choice than Duncan Sheik - On A High because Rush's BPM is 138 while On A High is running down at 130.

EDIT - A little more info about how much you can shift the BPM if you didn't read the sticky thread.

A shift in key (one semi-tone) is 6%, a shift of 3% is half way between to keys (in "off key limbo land") which we want to avoid. So lets say you want to stay within 2% so it sounds real close. When playing most trance (in the 140 BPM range) this is about 2.8 BPM and when in playing slower prog our house at aobut 125 it is 2.5 BPM.

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