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denny_shibby
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The liberals should throw this guy overboard

Check out how bad Harry Reid is. Don't worry this is pretty short and a must read http://www.latimes.com/media/acroba...-06/8306315.pdf

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man, for only being in office 20 years he has managed to get a lot of corrupt sounding but probably legal side deals going


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Q5echo
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yeah, Reid's a puchach.

...but hey MSM, lets here about Delay some more!

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MisterOpus1
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I certainly don't condone Reid's play here with helping his family members out. You must certainly be a Freeper reader - this came out in their forum not too long ago, despite it being an '03 article, as a direct response to Delay's actions of paying off his daughter and mother a hefty sum of money.

Honestly I think this should be more closely watched from both parties, and certainly Reid nor Delay are loners in this. And truth be told - I do think this is probably the weakest charge against Delay. But since the Freepers and Delay apologists are latching onto this as their main counter-response to Delay's actions, while ignoring the fucking rapsheet as long as my arm on the myriad of other shit Delay's involved in, I guess I shouldn't be surprised considering it is likely the weakest argument against him.


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Q5echo
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Here's a scorecard of the key multiplying scandals involving DeLay. Each malefaction is rated on a scale of one to 10 for its stench and the trouble it will possibly cause.

TRMPAC. Stench: 5. Trouble: 8.

In 2001, Tom DeLay helped to set up an organization called TRMPAC (Texans for a Republican Majority Political Action Committee) aimed at helping the Texas GOP gain control of the state Legislature. His goal was to force a redistricting of Texas' congressional districts that would increase the Republican majority in Washington.

DeLay succeeded in sending five more Republicans to Congress. But his tactics created two problems. First, Texas has very strict laws forbidding the use of money raised from corporations in state races, and TRMPAC raised a lot of corporate money. Second, it made for one very shady deal. On Sept. 20, 2002, the director of TRMPAC sent $190,000, including money raised by corporations, to the Republican National State Elections Committee. Exactly two weeks later, that committee sent exactly $190,000 to state candidates favored by TRMPAC. Each transaction, taken alone, appears legal. Bundled together, they look like an effort to funnel corporate money into a race from which it was banned.

DeLay's defense is that he didn't know the details of what was happening in the organization, that the matching numbers of the $190,000 transfers were just a coincidence, and that the money raised from corporations was spent on administrative office expenses, which is legal in Texas legislative races. But all of those arguments have major weak spots that the experienced prosecutor on the case, Ronnie Earle, could expose. Grand juries have been secretly investigating the allegations of illegal campaign financing, and Earle has already indicted three of DeLay's associates and eight corporate donors. DeLay hasn't been indicted yet, but he could be. And if there's a trial, his indicted associates might choose to squawk about the congressman's misdeeds in exchange for less or no jail time.

Frequent Flying. Stench: 5. Trouble: 3.

House ethics rules prevent members from taking trips abroad funded by lobbyists or by "foreign agents," groups or individuals registered to do political work for foreign organizations or governments. DeLay, however, has reportedly taken at least three such trips. In 1997, he went to Russia on the dime of a peculiar company based in the Bahamas and connected to Russian oil interests. In 2000, he went to Britain, his lavish journey paid for in part by a lobbyist. In 2001, he went to South Korea, funded by a recently registered foreign agent.

DeLay faces little danger because of these trips. Other congressmen, including Democrats, have taken similar trips and the House Ethics Committee, which has chief responsibility for policing such disciplinary infractions, is currently shuttered. After the committee admonished the Texas congressman for three infractions this fall, three Republican members were forced out and replaced with DeLay allies. The committee has not met this year because Democrats are protesting the new rules the committee has to operate under, which (surprise) make it much harder to initiate investigations.

The risk for DeLay here is that more reporters will unearth more trips, and they'll perhaps find evidence that the funders happened to do particularly well when legislation they favored came before Congress. Worse, perhaps, the trips connect DeLay to the seedy world of lobbyist Jack Abramoff.

The Abramoff Muck. Stench: 6. Trouble: 8.

DeLay and Abramoff are old friends and allies. Now Abramoff is one of the most toxic men in Washington. John McCain is investigating him, as is the Department of Justice for allegedly bilking Native American tribes out of tens of millions of dollars while working for them as a lobbyist. (Read this Slate "Assessment" for more about Abramoff and his penchant for referring to his patrons as "troglodytes.") It's almost certain that some of the documents subpoenaed will cause trouble for DeLay. There's even speculation in Washington that McCain is leading the investigation partly to get DeLay and thereby spare the Republican Party his hard-edged tactics and policies.

The Ethics Committee's Docket. Stench: 9. Trouble: 2.

Before the House Ethics Committee was waylaid, it admonished Tom DeLay on three different fronts last year. The first was for appearing to offer a bribe to fellow Republican Rep. Nick Smith to win his support for the closely contested Medicare reform bill. The second was for soliciting donations from a company called Westar Energy just as the House considered a bill of crucial import to the company. The third was for using a federal agency, the Federal Aviation Administration, to track down Democratic members of the Texas Legislature who were fleeing the state to block a vote regarding redistricting (see No. 1 above).

Each of these infractions was serious enough that the then-somnolent, now-comatose Ethics Committee was willing to act. At this point, however, the cases are probably finished. The Justice Department could investigate any of them, and it might already be quietly doing so. But, most likely, DeLay got away with a slap on the wrist.

Family Circus. Stench: 3. Trouble: 2.

As revealed in Wednesday's New York Times—to DeLay's fury, as he expressed today—his wife and daughter have long been on the payroll of several of the political organizations he controls. Friends and family of congressmen have done this kind of work for a long time, but they don't normally rake in the sums that Christine DeLay and Danielle DeLay Ferro did: $500,000 in four years.

The payments sound suspicious, but the story will as likely as not blow over. It allows DeLay to play the victim while defending his family's honor; most important, the key issue is whether the two women received a fair day's pay for a fair day's work—which they probably did. Ferro and Christine DeLay clearly put in long hours for their man; they play a major role in what is known in Washington as DeLay, Inc. They will probably go down only if the whole organization goes down.

And that, of course, is the real danger for Tom DeLay. It's possible that one known bad act, particularly TRMPAC, could do him in. It's also possible that he'll be felled by a misdeed that hasn't been uncovered yet—for example, dirt could come out of DeLay's nonprofit foundation for orphans, which critics charge serves as a backdoor for unregulated donations to him. The much greater risk, though, is that the parade of scandals in its entirety will lead his colleagues to vaporize him one night. DeLay can ask Sen. Trent Lott what that feels like.


Nicholas Thompson

ooooooh.

are we all sure that democratic obstructionists are NOT making vilifying molehills for the sake of 10 Appeals Court judges?

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Him and Abramoff are not friends the only time the 2 were together, was when Abramoff showed up for a trip at the last minute, and Delay never knew he was coming. They point to pictures that don't even have Delay and Abramoff in the same picture.

Paying Wife and Daughter hefty sum huh. Well I'll do the math considering no one else will. 500 grand right. 500 grand divided by 2 people = 250 grand. 250 grand over 5 years is 50 grand a year. Personally I think the wife and daughter almost got screwed in that deal.

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Q5echo
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Him and Abramoff are not friends the only time the 2 were together, was when Abramoff showed up for a trip at the last minute, and Delay never knew he was coming. They point to pictures that don't even have Delay and Abramoff in the same picture.

Paying Wife and Daughter hefty sum huh. Well I'll do the math considering no one else will. 500 grand right. 500 grand divided by 2 people = 250 grand. 250 grand over 5 years is 50 grand a year. Personally I think the wife and daughter almost got screwed in that deal.

thats why i posted the list against Delay. it's frikken absurd the way liberals/Democrats are operate these days.

again, good luck in '06 fellas

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Q5 is that the picture of the girl from girl next door and the hs boss daughter in old school?

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Q5echo
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yup. Elisha Cuthbert. she's Canadian but that's not what i want to hold against her.

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Goddamn I saw her in Old School and I knew right away she was going to be huge. She is fucking hot. Then in girl next door. Dear god, I was right, she was fucking gorgeous. I had her name for a little bit but a few months after watching girl next door I kinda forgot it again.

She is one of my 2 that I hold up as me seeing before they hit the ultra hot seen. The other one was Tera Reid. I saw her in the first American Pie and new shes was going to be huge too. The second AP came out and everybody around me's mouths dropped too.

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Cuthbert is hot as balls, though she had a crappy hair-do on 24.

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MisterOpus1
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Originally posted by Q5echo
ooooooh.

are we all sure that democratic obstructionists are NOT making vilifying molehills for the sake of 10 Appeals Court judges?


Are you sure you're not trying to merely quell this rap sheet a bit and divert us away from it with the lame argument that the Dems. are being obstructionists?

You name me 1 politician, and he/she can be a Democrat, who's had anything remotely this long in terms of a rap sheet. Name me 1 politician who's been admonished by the House Ethics Committee, and has 2 separate Senate investigations taking place on him/her. Just one will do.

The case involving WestStar really pissed me off. They are our energy company here in NE Kansas, and that former CEO and his bank associate were crooked as fuck, and are now thankfully serving time. Is it any surprise Delay has dealings with them?

The crap involving the House Ethics Committee in no way can be blamed on the Dems. Rep. Barney Frank, who was taken up by the House Ethics Committee for his sexual scandal said it best last Sunday:

quote:
...let me be very straight forward here.

I, 15 years ago, had a problem because I behaved inappropriately. The Ethics Committee stepped in.

Newt Gingrich had a problem. He was reprimanded [when] the Ethics Committee stepped in.

The difference between us and Mr. DeLay is, I think, we changed our behavior.

Mr. DeLay changed the Ethics Committee.


Fucking Delay inserted 3 new folks in the Committee who are a part of his TRMPAC for fuck's sake - how the hell is any Dem. going to take them seriously in dealing with Delay?

This TRMPAC is serious shit, and will likely do Delay in. You just can't take $190,000 in corporate contributions, funnel them through the RNC, and then have donated exactly $190,000 to TRMPAC-supported candidates and think your dumbass is going to get away with it. If that doesn't do it somehow, I think the Abramoff connection likely will. Congressmen cannot take money directly from consultants or corporations (which occurred in Texas), which is exactly what occurred here despite Delay's denials. You cannot possibly be an apologist for this guy.

And what's this shit about Dems. being "obstructionists", because they refuse to let, what 10 of Bush's extremist judges in the door, out of the 207 they willfully confirmed? You want obstructionism, your fucking GOP invented the word on Clinton's nominees.

And do you think they might actually have a reason to not confirm these judges?:


http://www.pfaw.org/pfaw/general/default.aspx?oid=14172

http://saveourcourts.civilrights.or...nees/index.html

http://www.benchmarkcampaign.org/php/nomineeArchive.php

rather than being mere "obstructionists"? Perhaps these judges do not represent the mainstream voice of the people very well?


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