hi
i dunno if u guys already talked about this...well in france there gonna be held a referendum on the 29th may 2005 about the european constitution
what's your opinions about it?are u in favor of it or against?
i decided to vote yes finally even if i ain't really convinced about it
so any of your comments and opinions about it is welcome !

I'll be voting against it when it comes up here. It's a step in the direction of a united states of Europe as far as I can see.

___________________
"Níl saoirse gan saoirse lucht oibre."

Well, I'm pretty much in favor, but unfortunately I don't live in a country that's a member of the EU so I can just lobby from the outside...

___________________
1+1=10

http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=4545847

that guy obviously has some strong opinions about it.

as a pro-nationalism, anti-NWO American i say, good luck and God bless

leave it to the French to be on the fence about this now, of all times. let them eat cake...and have it too

Last edited by Q5echo on May-12-2005 at 23:22

i dont think it will work out. The euro will fail and us Americans will once again be the ones saving ur ass

quote:

Originally posted by metalgearsolid i dont think it will work out. The euro will fail and us Americans will once again be the ones saving ur ass

And when was the first time you saved our ass...STFU.

___________________

quote:

Originally posted by Jackson And when was the first time you saved our ass...STFU.

we've saved it and kicked it so get used to it

quote:

Originally posted by h0tsweetbabyd0l i decided to vote yes finally even if i ain't really convinced about it so any of your comments and opinions about it is welcome !

Great. I really hope the French gives this one a "Oui". IMO the world has grown into a state where you need to be big to have any kind of influence, and a tighter EU would be a step in the right direction. I don't really fear a "United States of Europe" which, to me, seems to be a term that EU-sceptics use in order to make the European project appear to be a road towards becoming something like the US. Just because the EU would share the basic structure of states united into a supreme state, that doesn't mean that we will automatically take over all the things we don't like about the US. These are not bound to the US structure, but rather to the US culture and history, I think.

quote:

Originally posted by metalgearsolid i dont think it will work out. The euro will fail and us Americans will once again be the ones saving ur ass

Since you don't even know the difference between the Euro and the EU, I suggest that you stfu before you get wound up in an argument you are incapable of winning.

quote:

Originally posted by metalgearsolid we've saved it and kicked it so get used to it

He asked when.

___________________
"Níl saoirse gan saoirse lucht oibre."

quote:

Originally posted by trancaholic Great. I really hope the French gives this one a "Oui". IMO the world has grown into a state where you need to be big to have any kind of influence, and a tighter EU would be a step in the right direction. I don't really fear a "United States of Europe" which, to me, seems to be a term that EU-sceptics use in order to make the European project appear to be a road towards becoming something like the US. Just because the EU would share the basic structure of states united into a supreme state, that doesn't mean that we will automatically take over all the things we don't like about the US. These are not bound to the US structure, but rather to the US culture and history, I think.

+1.

And its not like the constitution make any radical changes anyway. It makes it a lot clearer what the EU can decide about, and what it cannot. It also takes away VETOs in some areas, which really is a must if you want to have a working EU with 25 memberstates (and their new voting system is a very smart one imo (Qualified Majority Voting), both for the big countries and small countries). It also makes it easier to have a Common Foregin Policy (VETO is still in use here tho), so this will definetly make the EU a much stronger player in the world. It also give the European Parliament a lot more powers, which is a big step for direct democracy in the EU.

Here is a good link with some info about the constitution:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/2950276.stm

Or you could download it here (325 pages tho im considering reading tho ):
http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/bs...g00086.en04.pdf

quote:

Originally posted by donegalredneck He asked when.

during ww2 and the cold war.

quote:

Originally posted by metalgearsolid during ww2 and the cold war.

OMG, Your a Joke!
Pick up a history book before embarresing yourself anymore!
Tell me if your so knowledgeable how much of the enemy did the US kill during the Cold war?! Or how many enemy planes did they shoot down!?
What a prick... Tell me why the US entered the war in europe aswell, i'd love you to terach me all of your history knowledge!

___________________