Since the beginning of its history, the Unites States haven't stopped their colonialist policy. What is even tragic, they have always tried to give "genuine" motivations for their actions.

The first episode was the massacre of the American Indians during the seventeenth century and beyond. The reason was to "civilize" the whole American teritory, and thus making a millenar culture almost completely disappear.

The same goes with Iraq today. The US Government shouldn't motivate their imperialist outtern policies by saying that their ultimate reason is "bring the democracy all over the world". They should understand that NO ONE WANTS/NEEDS THEIR "GOOD" INTENTIONS. The iraqian people have lived there for 5000 years old (while the Ameican people has inly existed for max 500 years). The issues in the Middle East should be solved there, with no outtern "help".

When American troops go to war, they are always in "defense". Their opponets are always the "bad-guys", "attackers". Americans should think about who provokes the most wars on Earth right now, and should consider admitting that they have been braiwashed for many centuries now.

They will never ever admit that they are/were wrong on anything.

It is not about freedom and democracy since none could be forced upon anyone.so they can shove their democracy up Bush's ass.

look at Iraq now,a real disaster,but this administration doesnt want to admit it.to them they are succeeding in the war on terror and the Iraqi people are free and happy.

Most of the problems in the middle east is because of the U.S. involvements in that region.Reality is though they wont be leaving anytime soon and more and more people will suffer and die.

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Originally posted by occrider I'm sorry, I think you made a wrong turn somewhere. Perhaps you were looking for this place: http://www.tranceaddict.com/forum/f....php?forumid=16 ?

That was beautiful.

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Originally posted by brashy They should understand that NO ONE WANTS/NEEDS THEIR "GOOD" INTENTIONS.

What a load of bollox

Would you guys just humor him for crist sake.

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Originally posted by brashy The first episode was the massacre of the American Indians during the seventeenth century and beyond. The reason was to "civilize" the whole American teritory, and thus making a millenar culture almost completely disappear. The same goes with Iraq today.

Um, did you just try to make a connection between the 17th century European colonisation of North America and the current war against Iraq? I've heard it all now. Even the "no blood for oil" crew looks sane in comparison.

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Originally posted by occrider I'm sorry, I think you made a wrong turn somewhere. Perhaps you were looking for this place: http://www.tranceaddict.com/forum/f....php?forumid=16 ?

I say, how's the view up there from the Ivory Tower, occ?

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he has got a point tho, at least when europe where fighting all over the world, our spoken intentions was simply to use others natural resources, to get more land/ppl, or to convert others to our point of view (mainly religion). While the US have the same intentions, they simply make it sound like something else

And if the U.S. were to close the borders, sit back and watch the world without any involvement, the very same people who are complaining about the U.S. being too involved would start complaining that they're not doing enough.

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Originally posted by St_Andrew he has got a point tho, at least when europe where fighting all over the world, our spoken intentions was simply to use others natural resources, to get more land/ppl, or to convert others to our point of view (mainly religion). While the US have the same intentions, they simply make it sound like something else

+1

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Originally posted by Shakka And if the U.S. were to close the borders, sit back and watch the world without any involvement, the very same people who are complaining about the U.S. being too involved would start complaining that they're not doing enough.

That's just your imagination. Pretty typicaly american cliche that is comletely false.

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Well, brashy does make some good points. If you look at American history and foreighn policy, it's nothing to write home about. For example, just to mention a few:
1. The natives basically being masaccred and their land stolen.
2. Slavery.
3. Civil War (over slavery, now that's very civilized).
4. Foreighn policy in the Middle East and Latin America.

The list goes on.

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