Exit poll.

whats wrong with it

Stupid Dutch.
Hope this won't badly affect the worth of the Euro, too.

Honestly though, its hard to blame anyone who is voting against the constitution.

Just reading a couple passage of the thing and it reads ridicliously.
What is for sure is these European Union founders are nothing lie the founding fathers and framers of the US constitution.

They EU framers seem to ignore much of the wide-held political philosophy of our time and offer no protections to the member-nations form the EU nor to member-nation citizens from the EU. Very dangerous.


I guess you can thank the failure of the EU constitution on the success of European primary education

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Originally posted by Yoepus Just reading a couple passage of the thing and it reads ridicliously.

why?

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What is for sure is these European Union founders are nothing lie the founding fathers and framers of the US constitution.

you cant really compare the two, since its still not raelly a constitution, but more like a treaty...

and yeah, fucking dutch

Yeah, she looks like she's got it all figured out...

btw, as someone said in the swedish forum, doesnt the dutch prime minister look exactly like harry potter?



too bad he couldnt use his magic this time tho...

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Originally posted by St_Andrew why?[

Well namely the absense of a bill of rights and the fact that it is ridicilously long and bloated!


Rights of a Citizen:

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Part I Title II Article I-10 Citizenship of the Union 1. Every national of a Member State shall be a citizen of the Union. Citizenship of the Union shall be additional to national citizenship and shall not replace it. 2. Citizens of the Union shall enjoy the rights and be subject to the duties provided for in the Constitution. They shall have: (a) the right to move and reside freely within the territory of the Member States; (b) the right to vote and to stand as candidates in elections to the European Parliament and in municipal elections in their Member State of residence, under the same conditions as nationals of that State; (c) the right to enjoy, in the territory of a third country in which the Member State of which they are nationals is not represented, the protection of the diplomatic and consular authorities of any Member State on the same conditions as the nationals of that State; (d) the right to petition the European Parliament, to apply to the European Ombudsman, and to address the institutions and advisory bodies of the Union in any of the Constitution's languages and to obtain a reply in the same language. These rights shall be exercised in accordance with the conditions and limits defined by the Constitution and by the measures adopted thereunder.

Not much for freedom or religion, press, due process, etc. is it?

But lets not forget the children!!

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Part II Title III Article II-84 The rights of the child 1. Children shall have the right to such protection and care as is necessary for their well-being. They may express their views freely. Such views shall be taken into consideration on matters which concern them in accordance with their age and maturity. 2. In all actions relating to children, whether taken by public authorities or private institutions, the child's best interests must be a primary consideration. 3. Every child shall have the right to maintain on a regular basis a personal relationship and direct contact with both his or her parents, unless that is contrary to his or her interests.

WTF??? Sorry, I mean WTF!!!????

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Part II TITLE III EQUALITY Article II-80 Equality before the law Everyone is equal before the law.

Whippy! I guess this means due process?

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Part II Title III EQUALITY Article II-83 Equality between women and men Equality between women and men must be ensured in all areas, including employment, work and pay. The principle of equality shall not prevent the maintenance or adoption of measures providing for specific advantages in favour of the under-represented sex.

Well I'm glad the EU's not above ignoring equality when it favors the unequal i.e. Screw you Netherlands! We will force you to have affermative action whether your want it, think its right, or not!

More:

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Part II Title IV Article II-89 Right of access to placement services Everyone has the right of access to a free placement service.

I wish I could join the EU! I have to pay to place an ad in the newspaper in the USA

At least I have access to craigslist, thats free....


And this is just taken out of a couple minutes reading the stuff.

The sad part is, if I actually wanted to read the whole EU constitution it would take me a week. If I wanted to actually understand it, it would take me months.

If I wanted to read the whole USA constitution, it would take me an hour, if I wanted to understand it, it would take me an hour.

I mean, the thing is ridicilous, I never thought I would see a treatie and a constitution no less! that makes the UN Decleration of Human Rights look like the Treaty of Versaille.

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So it ended up being 61.9% against. On the bright side Latvia just ratified the constitution today.

I wonder how, now after Nerherlands and France said "no", EU leaders called for a crisis meeting; the people have spoken = a true crisis

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Hmmm I hadn't realised it was 325 pages long. Skimming through it, it does seem like a rule book rather than an enumeration of rights. Oh well ... whatever floats the EU's boat. Although I'd hate to do constitutional research on that monstrosity.

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Originally posted by occrider Hmmm I hadn't realised it was 325 pages long. Skimming through it, it does seem like a rule book rather than an enumeration of rights. Oh well ... whatever floats the EU's boat. Although I'd hate to do constitutional research on that monstrosity.

Ya ridicilious isn't it?!

I mean, all you have to describe is how the government is to work, and the protections to limit th government's power. That's it, you don't tell it what to do.

"No death penatly under any circumstances whatsoever"
"Don't abuse the elderly"

Dud, wtf?! Seriously. The Europeans are crazy, they don't deserve to have a Union after writing such a piece of shit. Actually thats not right, the constitution isn't a piece of shit, but just about the only benifitial usage of the consitution I can envision will be to wipe one's ass with it (hey better then cardboard, no Georegy?!).

Any union based on such an intrinsictly detailed constitution is bound to either fail or simply be completely ineffective.

Oh well, was nice knowing you EU while you lasted...

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