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StarRizer
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Registered: Apr 2005
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Ok...I know you've had this problem before

Hi everyone,

I use Reason 3.0, and the problem I have deals with combining tracks. Like...when I add bass to a beat, the beat sounds like some parts are hidden and aren't penetrating the frequencies of the bass line (hi hats, for example). Sometimes it happens when I add a bunch of tracks together. The beat just becomes softer and softer (hidden and more hidden).

Where am I going wrong here? Is this just an issue of proper mixing down? Or would compresion or any other effect help me out?

Advice is much appreciated.

Old Post Jun-09-2005 14:36  United States
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thoughtlessjex
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Registered: May 2004
Location: Chapel Hill, North Carolina

EQing is your friend. You need to put an EQ on each track's mixer channel and advance and cut back on the proper frequencies to get them to mix together well. I don't want to give anything concrete, though because the details change from song to song. A lot of it is trial and error, but eventually you'll figure it out.


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Dickie-T
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Registered: Mar 2005
Location: North Pole

yeah i have the same problem
eq'ing is hard
i used the fruity spectroman and a free vst called analyzer but its hard, i mean, my beat and my bassline share mostly the same frequencies, so if i cut them out of one of the two, its like its muted!

Old Post Jun-09-2005 16:46  Netherlands
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everyMan
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Registered: Apr 2005
Location: Paris, France

I dont know how many bassline you are using but try to use at least two bassline, one wich is a sub part of your bass and one wich is mid-high frequences, let the beat feet in the hole of freq.

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StarRizer
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let the beat feet in the hole of freq.


What exactly do u mean by this? Do you mean that the bass frequencies should sit in between the high and low frequencies of the beat?

Currently, I have a single bass line that has high, low, and mid frequncies in it. So what else could I do to compensate for the muffled frequncies of the beat?

Also, would u guys recommend modifying the beat or the bass?

Old Post Jun-09-2005 17:20  United States
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cybernetica
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Registered: Oct 2004
Location: Cologne, Germany

Proper EQing is probably the first thing to do. I found out for example that boosting your snares around the 3000-5000Hz area while cutting the lower frequencies will help you let it sound sharper and take away interferences with the kick.
Compression is not bad either, it makes your drums sound more upfront. I almost always use compression on most of my percs, because I was facing the same problem. It will help you, but be careful with it cause it will take away some of the dynamics.

Or maybe you have just got too heavy low frequencies in bass or kick (<100Hz)... this will make your levels volume completely go mad, but its usually easily fixed.


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Dickie-T
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Registered: Mar 2005
Location: North Pole

thanks guys this inspired me to make something new, i tried to eq all instruments and added ubercompression on some mixer tracks

are there frequencies clipping in this?

http://members.chello.nl/dthijssen/...urs(beta_7).mp3

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cybernetica
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Registered: Oct 2004
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In terms of clipping this is ok. But watch your levels. The bass distorts, that's probably because it is too heavily compressed (or the kick is), causing some of the levels to become too hard, this is what causes distortion. Change the ratio and weight of compression, and reduce the volumes of the frequencies that cause distortion.


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Project 7
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Yea when i add more layers it sounds shitter than with less, i dont have a clue how to compress or EQ, well ive seen the EQ thing in cubase but i dont know anything about which freqs and stuff

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dj jasonF
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Registered: Aug 2004
Location: athens, greece

use the parametric eq. cut the gain and move the freq knob with the the song playing.. when it sounds best fat but clean it leave it there

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Channel Surfer
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Registered: Dec 2003
Location: San Diego, CA

subractive eq is more important than additive......remove offensive freqs before you start adding frqes to pump up sounds.....carve eq holes so that instruments occupying the same freq spectrum will have their own indentity or "hole" as someone said earlier...

sub bass is a major issue......cutting with a hard knee at 40-80 Hz or lower can be great for a bassline still having it's umph but not making yr speakers fart.......soloing and unsoloing combinations of mixer tracks will also diagnose what insts are fucking each other and furthermore how they should be eqed....


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StarRizer
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Originally posted by dj jasonF
use the parametric eq. cut the gain and move the freq knob with the the song playing.. when it sounds best fat but clean it leave it there


Are you talking about the bass or the kick?

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ps is that really you in that picture...? you're one cute looking trance producer. ; )


Unfortunately, yes.

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