Right now I have one belt driven turntable with the shitty needle it came with and one Technics with a Whitelabel. For some reason the whitelabel cannot take the really high medium frequencies like the shitty one can! One good example is LSG - Netherworld when the break starts and the really high melody is playing alone with no other frequencies. The shitty needle can go up full blast and there's no distortion while the Whitelabel does start to distort not even at high volume. WTF? This can't be right. Please help me this is really killing me

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mabye the whitelabel is extremely worn?

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soulful/latin/deep house + jazz

It's only about 2 months old.

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have u the weight and height set correctly?

Some Whitelabels are bad out of the box. When I bought my pair I had to swap one for a new one after three weeks of playing with no improvement.

another thing i've experienced about whitelables; it's cantilever is extremely easy to bend and damage. Check to make sure there are no dents on the stylus cantilever, if so you'll need to buy a new stylus.

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Make it idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot. He who laughs last thinks slowest!

So before I buy my second technics and whitelabel, should i consider a diffrent needle? I was really looking at the Ortofon Concorde's, they look like they will last a while.

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well, whitelabels are still good carts. But as of lately, i've ditched my whitelabels for M44Gs and have no complaints. I still use the whitelabels for listening and recording, but for everything else i use the M44Gs.

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Make it idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot. He who laughs last thinks slowest!

i just bought some whitelabels yesterday. so far so good. i had some problems w/the sound at the store, but that was because who ever used the turntable before me had the antiskate set to +6. i turned it back to zero, and i didn't have any more problems w/popping/distortion.

at home i have the whitelabels set to 52mm overhang. -default setting. the turntables are set to zero antiskate, 2 grams of tracking, and the tone arm hight is set to 3. so far so good.

i would encourage you to check out the orts, to see maybe their sound might suit you better. i did a side by side comparo w/my 500al, whitelabel, and a gray/silver concord needle. i went w/the whitelabel. the orts was not a bad cart. still better than my 500al. but it gave a the music a colored, cold, and harsh digital sound. a different character that was not present w/the 500al or the whitelabel. the bass sounded boomy, but not quite as detailed as the whitelabel. the highs on the orts where killing me sharp stick in the ear style. -yet a lot of people seem to like it when hi-hats stab their ear drums on the up beat. plus the thought of the orts shredding my vinyl made for an automatic disqualification.

who knows, you make like the orts better than the whitelabels. don't stick w/something you're not happy with. especially since you're the one spending the money.

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Originally posted by colombian raver Right now I have one belt driven turntable with the shitty needle it came with and one Technics with a Whitelabel. For some reason the whitelabel cannot take the really high medium frequencies like the shitty one can! One good example is LSG - Netherworld when the break starts and the really high melody is playing alone with no other frequencies. The shitty needle can go up full blast and there's no distortion while the Whitelabel does start to distort not even at high volume. WTF? This can't be right. Please help me this is really killing me

One thing it could be is your speakers cannot handle the frequencies that the whitelables are pumping out as opposed to the lesser sound which your shitty stylus are.

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Originally posted by dj chex well, whitelabels are still good carts. But as of lately, i've ditched my whitelabels for M44Gs and have no complaints. I still use the whitelabels for listening and recording, but for everything else i use the M44Gs.

Right now I'm doing the exact same thing, it's so if I feel like scratching I can without worrying about damaging my stylii. (Not that I've scratched in a while, but the opportunity is there.)

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Originally posted by Luke Cartwright One thing it could be is your speakers cannot handle the frequencies that the whitelables are pumping out as opposed to the lesser sound which your shitty stylus are.

Nah, I hear the same sound in my headphones. I have mine set at the default overhang, 0 tonearm height, 0 anti skate, and 2 grams of tracking force.

Now that I think of it, it could be my mixer not being able to handle the whitelabel. It is a digital mixer after all so that has to be it.

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Last edited by colombian raver on Aug-02-2005 at 01:03