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Blue Meanies
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ATI: Xbox 360 will outperform PS3

"I think PS3 will almost certainly be slower and less powerful," says graphics guru Richard Huddy; backward compatibility explained.

In an interview with Web site bit-tech.net, ATI developer relations manager Richard Huddy waxed technical about Microsoft's upcoming Xbox 360 and ATI's role in the machine. The 360 will be using ATI's Xenos graphics processor, and Huddy's job is to chat with potential developers and then help them develop the tools that best use Xenos' capabilities.

With regard to the console's architecture, Huddy says, "It's way better than I would have expected at this point in the history of 3D graphics." He sees the unified pipeline, rather than segregated pixel and vertex engines, giving the 360 a huge advantage in accessible processing power.

Huddy goes on to shed some light on backward compatibility. Each Xbox game is written with specific Xbox hardware in mind, and the 360's move to PowerPCs and ATI graphics doesn't jibe with the Xbox's Intel chips and Nvidia graphics processors. To add to the difficulty, the 360 wasn't designed for backward compatibility early on in development.

To solve this, Microsoft has implemented the use of emulator programs that will let the Xbox 360 play Xbox games. According to Huddy, "emulating the CPU isn't really a difficult task. ...the real bottlenecks in the emulation are GPU calls--calls made specifically by games to the Nvidia hardware in a certain way. General GPU instructions are easy to convert: an instruction to draw a triangle in a certain way will be pretty generic. However, it's the odd cases--the proprietary routines--that will cause hassle." Once complete, the Xbox emulators could come preloaded on the unit's hard drive or be downloadable via Xbox Live.

Huddy also dispels the notion that the PlayStation 3's higher graphics clock speed (550MHz versus the 360's 500MHz) means the Sony console will outperform the Xbox 360. He believes that its ATI's unified pipeline will make the biggest difference between the Xbox 360 and PS3. ATI archrival Nvidia, which is providing the RSX graphics processor for the PS3, has chosen not to go the route of a unified pipeline.

"This time around, [Nvidia doesn't] have the architecture, and we do. So they have to knock it and say it isn't worthwhile. But in the future, they'll market themselves out of this corner, claiming that they've cracked how to do it best. But RSX isn't unified, and this is why I think PS3 will almost certainly be slower and less powerful."

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Hah! An ATI guy says that their chipset will perform better than the competitors... What a surprise!

Old Post Jun-14-2005 17:12  Poland
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I know two things...

1) Xbox 360 is going to fucking blow the roof of things.
2) I am def. getting this console.

Old Post Jun-14-2005 20:18  Canada
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Xbox360 will be awesome. Just don't believe all the hype. It won't be the be-all-end-all console that MS would like it to be. Neither will the PS3.

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DRM
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heh i read this the other day and thought yeah well u will say that, the xbox 360 will certainly be good but fact is the ps3 will be coming out much later plus as far as ive heard the rsx isnt even really finished yet therefore bollox to wot they say, the ps3 will be superiour to the xbox. now this isnt to say it will be better or will end up the more successful console, but surfice to say the ps3 will definately technically out perform the 360.


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quote:
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I know two things...

1) Xbox 360 is going to fucking blow the roof of things.
2) I am def. getting this console.



fuckin rights.

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Meh, this is just more hype and slander that we can expect from both sides until the consoles come out. Personally, I think in the immediate foresight Sony is still on top. You can't deny the support of the third party developers. Even though many are behind Microsoft as well, Sony still has more, and this is really what made the PS2, even though it was an infinitely shittier system than the xbox.

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Originally posted by zokissima
Meh, this is just more hype and slander that we can expect from both sides until the consoles come out. Personally, I think in the immediate foresight Sony is still on top. You can't deny the support of the third party developers. Even though many are behind Microsoft as well, Sony still has more, and this is really what made the PS2, even though it was an infinitely shittier system than the xbox.


this is all very true, sony managed to beat xbox with an inferiour system last time and this time they will have the same 3rd party support plus a more powerful console...


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MS is missing something very important=good videogame creators mainly from japan such as squarenix

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you mean best pseudo-rpg games came from Japan, you are right.

but if you think about Civ3, Call of Duty, QUake, half life, warcraft, splinter cell, .............................


all of them came from north america.


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Originally posted by infinity HiGH
Hah! An ATI guy says that their chipset will perform better than the competitors... What a surprise!


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xbox 360 is going to be awesome, some trailer's of upcoming game's for it are just amazing...


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