Here is my 'problem', even if its not a real problem :
When I equalise a sound, I use soustractive equalisation so, sometimes, the sound equalised become weak around -16db, then I need something to boost it up to around -0db.
I know I can then add a compressor to compress my sound and then adjust the output gain amplification, but I want to know how you are working ?
Is there any simple Gain Amplification Vst ? Some Pro ones with demo version ?

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You should be starting with all your channel volume faders well below 0 (I usually go to -6 or -10 dB). That way, it's much easier to raise the volume on one after eq and such, and you can worry about gain in the mastering phase.

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I actually had problems with volume from Synful orchestra and there's a little plugin in Ableton called "utility" it works for stereo separation and gain amplification very easy and very handy...though if you don't use Ableton than I don't know

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Originally posted by DigiNut You should be starting with all your channel volume faders well below 0 (I usually go to -6 or -10 dB). That way, it's much easier to raise the volume on one after eq and such, and you can worry about gain in the mastering phase.

Cool tip thanks

I'm running FL Studio.

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Originally posted by DigiNut You should be starting with all your channel volume faders well below 0 (I usually go to -6 or -10 dB). That way, it's much easier to raise the volume on one after eq and such, and you can worry about gain in the mastering phase.

I don't really understand how you solve the problem!?

Hum let say I have a Supersaw sound around -6db with peaks at -3db.
After substractive equalisation, my sound is around -16db with peaks at -13.5db
I can add a compressor with these settings : thresold at -15.8, ratio 4:1 to reduce the peaks to around 15.2db

But it is still bellow 15.2db !! if I lift the channel volume to 125% it reach -10db ...

Ok my compressor has an output gain amplifier so I set it up to 15db amplification.
Now it's perfect, with my channel volume at 100% the sound is around 0db but always below.

But if I DON'T WANT to compress the sound?
Ok I can use transparent setting on the compressor so I use it as an simple gain amplifier, but I don't really like to do it.. but I do it ..

see my problem ?

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There wouldn't be a problem if you'd start like diginut adviced above. Set the kick channel to -6dB (or lower) and start mixing other channels from there. You should have well enough headroom this way.

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Originally posted by everyMan I don't really understand how you solve the problem!?

As the above poster stated, it's about headroom. Rather than struggling to come up with a solution, it's easier to just redefine your problem.

If you start with all your channel outputs at -10 dB, and you process one sound in such a way that it's 10 dB quieter, then you can just raise its channel output to 0 dB to compensate. Your master output may be very quiet as a result of all this, but that's what mastering compressors/levellers are for.

On a side note, this is one of the things I hate about FL - it's very hard to figure all this shit out when your sound is measured in a "percent" - I hope for the sake of everyone using it that they eventually get it changed to dB.

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Originally posted by DigiNut As the above poster stated, it's about headroom. Rather than struggling to come up with a solution, it's easier to just redefine your problem. If you start with all your channel outputs at -10 dB, and you process one sound in such a way that it's 10 dB quieter, then you can just raise its channel output to 0 dB to compensate. Your master output may be very quiet as a result of all this, but that's what mastering compressors/levellers are for. On a side note, this is one of the things I hate about FL - it's very hard to figure all this shit out when your sound is measured in a "percent" - I hope for the sake of everyone using it that they eventually get it changed to dB.

Add a Fruity DB meter to your master channel and solo each instrument you add then tweak the volume til you get it where you want it to be at.

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Originally posted by DJ Shibby Add a Fruity DB meter to your master channel and solo each instrument you add then tweak the volume til you get it where you want it to be at.

Yes, that works - it's just so much easier when your gain is measured in dB in the first place.

My mind works in dB. In fact, everyone's mind works in dB, since humans hear on a logarithmic scale. It's easy for me to translate "just a little bit louder" into "1-2 dB louder" - and it's much easier to be able to just raise the channel volume by 1 dB rather than opening up a dB meter and trying to figure out what % will work (especially when the sound level is not particularly flat). It's even more annoying when trying to set up a compressor - then you need to waste two slots in the FX chain for a dB meter before *and* after (since just about every compressor works in dB).

I'm not saying it's impossible, just awkward. I'm sure FL users eventually get accustomed to the percentages, but they shouldn't have to.

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yes youre certainly right. I don't really like to change my habbits, but I'll give it a try.
Then the final wav will be much too low, I will need Cool Edit to normalize it, right?

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Originally posted by everyMan yes youre certainly right. I don't really like to change my habbits, but I'll give it a try. Then the final wav will be much too low, I will need Cool Edit to normalize it, right?

Waves L2 does the trick nicely. Just lower the threshold.

You *can* also use L2 as a gain amplifier, but you have to be careful, if the input isn't flat then you might get compression or clipping (depends on your settings).

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So you advice me to use a compressor to do the job of a simple gain amplifier .......

That was my original question! the thing I want to avoid..
There isn't any solution in fact.
The most simple VST just doesn't exist.

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