LAWRENCE, Mass. - A Lawrence man who was named ``Marine of the Year'' last month is charged with firing a shotgun at a crowd of revelers outside his second-floor apartment, wounding two people.
Thirty-three-year-old Daniel Cotnoir allegedly fired a bullet at the crowd only minutes after he called police to complain about the noise they were making as they left a nearby nightclub and restaurant early Saturday.
The Lawrence Eagle-Tribune reports that a 15-year-old girl and a 20-year-old man were injured by bullet fragments from the shooting.
Decorated Marine opened fire on noisy crowd

Daniel Cotnoir, who has been treated for post-war stress since serving in Iraq where he worked as a mortician preparing bodies of U.S. soldiers for burial, was accused by police of firing a shotgun from a window of his apartment in Lawrence into a group of revelers early Saturday after having complained to police about the noise.
US Marine pleads not guilty in nightclub shooting


Like somehow we are supposed to understand that this kind of behavior is ok coming from "The Marine of the Year".

Just where are those gun-control nuts now?

You mean to tell me it's not okay for people to own a gun to protect themselves from people like him who still think they are in the sand?

Please, gimme a friggin break.

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nut jobs always make the perfect soldier.

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"Let me guess, you picked out yet another colorful box with a crank that I'm expected to turn and turn until OOP! big shock, a jack pops out and you laugh and the kids laugh and the dog laughs and I die a little inside.".

Look at it this way:

If Iraq wasn't invaded that man would not be looking at an attempted murder trial. But since he is "Marine of the Year" I am sure Uncle Sam is pulling out all the stops to take care of one of it's new poster boys for post traumatic stress disorder.

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wait wait wait, so youre saying the US shouldnt have gone to war because a nut job started shooting people possibly as a PTS effect???
why should anyone go to war then? why should anyone work in a postal office? pfft why dont we just stop having babies, after all some of them will end up being crazy murderes and rapists and the like.

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"Let me guess, you picked out yet another colorful box with a crank that I'm expected to turn and turn until OOP! big shock, a jack pops out and you laugh and the kids laugh and the dog laughs and I die a little inside.".

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Originally posted by Goashem wait wait wait, so youre saying the US shouldnt have gone to war because a nut job started shooting people possibly as a PTS effect???

Had there not been a war to come home from, this man would not be trying to kill civilians. Yes.

There are also stories of maimed GI's that no one seems to remember. Or even the nearly 2000 in combat deaths as well. All the result over a war built on lies.

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why should anyone go to war then?

That's too broad to answer. Refine and ask again.

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why should anyone work in a postal office?

Again too broad. This would involve statistics with work related shootings, if that's what you are implying.

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pfft why dont we just stop having babies, after all some of them will end up being crazy murderes and rapists and the like.

Or make weird posts such as yours.

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ok look this guy is obviously crazy, now he could have been crazy before he went to the war as well, but lets assume the war made him crazy. some peoples coping mechanism is not as good as others and these type of things occur. but you cant just stop fighting for what you believe in because a person goes crazy! besides people can go off like that not just from war, people working tedious jobs(like postal workers) and even kids in school went crazy and started shooting up the schools, but you dont suggest we should eliminate those institutions. what they should really do is have a better mental check up when recruiting soldiers and when releasing them.

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"Let me guess, you picked out yet another colorful box with a crank that I'm expected to turn and turn until OOP! big shock, a jack pops out and you laugh and the kids laugh and the dog laughs and I die a little inside.".

I see you somehow assesed mental capacity by using the non-clinical term of "crazy".

No one is going to check any someones mental capacity before sending them off to war. They need bodies in those BDUs even if they are a bit shy of a full deck.

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you cant just stop fighting for what you believe in because a person goes crazy!

No one said stop this war over one person. But maybe it should have never started before 2000 GI's and 30,000 civilians died over lies.

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ummm no actually i believe they do have mental tests in addition to physical before people are recruited. and even though i havent been here for the pre-iraq war debate im sure its been done to death on these boards and i can assure you there were more reasons to go to iraq beyond WMD.

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"Let me guess, you picked out yet another colorful box with a crank that I'm expected to turn and turn until OOP! big shock, a jack pops out and you laugh and the kids laugh and the dog laughs and I die a little inside.".

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Originally posted by Goashem i can assure you there were more reasons to go to iraq beyond WMD.

I'm not new to this new invention called the internet. And don't pretend I know nothing.

I don't think you can assure me of anything:

First: It was over WMD's (none were found)
Second: Quell the insurgency (still fighting, still dying)
Third: Install a democracy (Depends on whether the second ends the third)
Fourth: Iran is sending arms to Iraq (What more reason to invade another country, if you believe this one I have a few bridges to sell, one on the Thames the other in Brooklyn)

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omfg, why are you trying to make me seem like im attacking your intelligence? i did not imply anything with my remarks other than i dont want to get into a "why go to iraq" debate. there were many reasons to invade iraq (which you as said you are aware of), not necessarily used by the US government. for me personally it was assuring the safety of neighboring countries such as Israel. every time saddam would go on the television and promised to annihilate my country we had to rush to the nearest base to get our gas masks go to the supermarket stock up on canned food and get our windows and doors sealed, and live in fear of revisiting the gulf war for the next week or so. not fun.

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"Let me guess, you picked out yet another colorful box with a crank that I'm expected to turn and turn until OOP! big shock, a jack pops out and you laugh and the kids laugh and the dog laughs and I die a little inside.".

Unless you have seen the face of war and experienced it first hand then STFU. I was involved in the first gulf war and the shite I saw would make your ass shite the bed. Yes some of the returning people come back from war pretty screwed up. Why do they?? Cause war is not like in the movies, its not like a fucking video game, the sounds, sights and the smell of war is something that will never leave me or the others. However, this behaivor should be dealt with swiftly. But most of you have no idea what it feels like to be in a real war. I still will never forget the smell of burning charred flesh or the smell of decaying bodies we found in Kuwait of the little kids that the Iraq Army threw in a hot 6x6 metal boxes just to punish thier parents.
THis poor Marine probrobly came back home with issues, but most of the time our goverment doesn't give a flip about them after they are used up.
Alot of people like to point out returning soldiers mistakes, but it is the goverment not the soldier that makes the decision were to go and who to fight. Pawns. So do not take it out on a poor soldier that has screwed up, it is not his fault. I seriously doubt that he wanted to kill someone, if he did, he would of. He made a bad decision and now he has to live with it.

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Just where are those gun-control nuts now? You mean to tell me it's not okay for people to own a gun to protect themselves from people like him who still think they are in the sand? Please, gimme a friggin break.

I support owning a gun for self-defense, but the true meaning of the second amendment goes a lot deeper than defense against criminals.

There will be many gun control nuts who will say; "See, this Marine is yet another example of why we should ban all guns under civilian ownership!" I don't think this is the best argument in favor of owning guns (to defend against highly random nut jobs)...nor do I think it is at ALL a reason to ban guns.

But people who use guns illegally (as in this case) have to be held accountable...how accountable? I guess that depends on a lot of things, including his possible post-traumatic stress disorder. Like it or not, if it is a factor, it will be taken in to account, as it should be. But it should NOT be a "Get out of jail free" card by any means, not even close. There will be other factors too, like how bad were people injured, was his intent to injur, was he under the influence, etc...but if it is as bad as it appears, I doubt he'll get out of this with a wrist slap, as you imply.

I think jumping to the conclusion that all servicemen are bad and messed up because they served in a war that you're against is rather selfserving in terms of making an argument, no?