breaks, and overall structure of the percussion is like easiest part of making trance :>

i disagree i think making amazing breaks is the hardest thing to do... well for me. i hear some breaks and can see where it comes from and they seem pretty straight forward, then some of it is mind numbingly good and sounds so complicated.

Can you be more specific with your question? 90% of what I produce is breaks, so maybe I can help, but it's really more of an art than a science.

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well i heard alot of creating good breaks is having a drum loop u came up with cut up and pld at different positions etc. i cant really explain it very well. I think tylerc's - orana project the story of is a good example of wot i mean.

as in would u construct your breaks loop in your sequencer then export it as a wav or so and put it into soundforge to fuck it up etc.

sorry for the shit explaination

I do that sometimes, but it's not always necessary. It depends how you do your drums - I use a sampler, so doing stutter effects for example (which is what you heard in the track you mentioned) doesn't require rendering, it just requires very short repeated MIDI notes.

Sometimes, if you're doing a lot of *processing* to accomplish those stutters (filters, flangers, distortion, math music, etc.) then it's better to do the processing "offline" simply because your DAW won't have the CPU power to handle it all within the sequencer. Also, most producers will cut up loops directly in the sequencer (assuming they use a half-decent sequencer) because it's easier to snap to rhythmic chunks (usually 64th or 128th notes) - in a wave editor, it's much harder to place cuts accurately.

Stutter effects are really a trivial element of good breaks, though. They're a signature sound of BT, and to a lesser extent Hybrid, but 90% of what I hear when I go out to a breaks event will not have that kind of stuff.

Good breaks won't use a loop at all - they'll have proper percussion work done. Then, when the percussion is done, you can mess around with fancy shite.

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I usually use sampled breaks, but after seeing this thread, I think I'm going to learn to make my own for the sake of learning how.

thanks for the advice diginut

AMEN

lol - I think my 'advice' barely scratched the surface of breaks production, but I'm glad you feel enlightened.

There are tons and tons of caveats to breaks that you won't come across in other genres. A few off the top of my head - they're much more difficult to compress, the snare in breaks is almost as important as the kick (if not more so), and the bassline is usually much phatter, less repetitive, and less syncopated than trance. Of course that still doesn't even scratch the surface, but maybe it's a little more useful than a few words about stuttering.

Oh, and please *don't* use the Amen break, I think we've all heard just about enough of that sample.

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Good shit DigiNut
I love break beat too. Especially trancey breaks, and chilled breaks (if there is such a genre).

When I make breaks, I sequence everything (multiple kick and snare patterns and stuff)... I haven't quite got a use to the beat slicer in FLS.

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Originally posted by mysticalninja breaks, and overall structure of the percussion is like easiest part of making trance :>

Not the most constructive post ive ever seen... Couldnt disagree more. Love breakbeats in trance, adds some great variety when used effectively and great breaks are NOT easy to make/fit in from scratch...