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People can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and attack the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country.
Hermann Goering
| quote: | Originally posted by The Mex
I wonder if you know what kind of message that would send to all the terrorists if we were to pull out of Iraq now and give in to their demands. I think it would send a clear message that the US and other supporting nations are like cowed dogs that roll over on their backs exposing their belly for further attacks. Are you some kind of idiot to think that if we pull out now that it would stop them from continuing their so called "Jihad" against the US and others not of their faith and beliefs. |
Who told you they were terrorists? The media? Your 2nd grade school teacher? Just who are you trusting to tell you this? You're trusting the same people that told you that there were Weapons of Mass Destruction™ in Iraq when there are none. So if you still believe there are WMDs™ I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.
| quote: | | Oh by the way I am enlisted. |
Pray that you don't see combat unless you enlisted in the navy or as a cook in the army.
I guess then 100,000 protesters must be wrong then?
| quote: | Originally posted by ogvh5150
Combine the article about the 300 spooks with this:
Added:
Iraq May Be Prime Place for Training of Militants, C.I.A. Report Concludes
| quote: | | A new classified assessment by the Central Intelligence Agency says Iraq may prove to be an even more effective training ground for Islamic extremists than Afghanistan was in Al Qaeda's early days, because it is serving as a real-world laboratory for urban combat. | |
Your cup of tea:
| quote: | Originally posted by ogvh5150
Growing pessimism about averting civil war in Iraq, as well as mounting concerns that the U.S. military presence there may itself be fuelling the insurgency and Islamist extremism worldwide, has spurred a spate of new calls for the United States to withdraw its 140,000 troops sooner rather than later.
Although resolutions to establish at least a timeline for withdrawal have so far gained the support of only about a quarter of the members of Congress, the absence of tangible progress in turning back the insurgency is adding to fears on Capitol Hill that the administration's hopes of stabilising the situation, let alone giving birth to a pro-western democracy in the heart of the Arab world, are delusory.
U.S.: Civil War Spectre Spurs New Iraq Exit Plans
In a shameless swipe at their political opponents, House Republicans passed a resolution on July 21 that denounces those who dare to question the wisdom of an indefinite U.S. military presence in Iraq.
"Calls for an early withdrawal embolden the terrorists," the bill states, adding that the U.S. must stay as long as it takes to achieve a free and secure Iraq.
At this rate that may be a long, long, long time.
House Demagoguery on Iraq
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Calls for an early withdrawal from Iraq are a mistake that will only embolden terrorists, the House resolved Wednesday.
The resolution drew opposition from Democrats, who said it implied that questioning President Bush's Iraq policies is unpatriotic.
The measure, approved 291-137, says the United States should leave Iraq only when national security and foreign policy goals related to a free and stable Iraq have been achieved.
"Calls for an early withdrawal embolden the terrorists and undermine the morale" of U.S. and allied forces and put their security at risk, the amendment to a State Department bill reads.
House votes to oppose early Iraq withdrawal |
Fight abroad so politicians don't have to:
| quote: | Originally posted by ogvh5150
Chickenhawks:
``No, I have not urged my own children to enlist.I don't know the status of my childrens' potentially enlisting in the Guard and Reserve,`` Romney said, his voice tinged with anger.
Massachusetts residents can enlist in the National Guard up to age 39.Romney's five sons range in age from 24 to 35. Neither the Romney children nor the governor have served in the military, Romney spokeswoman Julie Teer said.
More than 1,100 guardsmen and women from Massachusetts are currently serving in Iraq and Afghanistan, a guard spokeswoman said.According to federal statistics, 28 Massachusetts soldiers have been killed so far.
``I don't think you should be so `rah-rah' for a war that you aren't willing to send your own family members to,'' said Rose Gonzalez, 30, of Somerville, whose mother, a state employee, was deployed to Iraq in January.``If he thinks the war is so just and so important and we shouldn't pull out, then he should encourage his own sons to go.``
Mitt backs war, but his boys are safe at home |
Polls:
Troops Should be Brought Home...
I approve/disapprove the Way Pres. Bush is Handling Iraq
Can the United States establish a stable, democratic government in Iraq?
Did the Bush administration deliberately mislead the public of Saddams WMD'S?
Can the United States win the war in Iraq?
United States in Iraq Poll: Leave or stay
Those polls are real time examples of the TA mindset. I expect you to vote on at least one.
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