Shamanism: The oldest form of recognition of the sacred. 50,000 years back or more.
The shaman was a strange and charismatic figure, he/she was a figure in the community who could travel through the spirit realms, heal, divine,cure,and curse.
The key vehicle used by the shaman was a drum, as well as the use of psy-plants,fungi,animals.
A loud and steady continuous beat moves the shaman into a trance state, enabling travel through the hyper realms.
To desribe what we do at TRANCE parties, could fit in any celebration spanning from Siberia(where the term shaman came from) to Mexico.
While under the influence of Trance, one has the ability to converse with medicine animals, and spirit beings, encounters with death,retrieval of lost souls, and visions of the future......
Now it has occoured to me in the last TEN years of Dancing to TRANCE music, that some people just go to raves to "PARTY" not understanding the history and value of psy-trance but aftersome time they have a spiritual experience on the dance floor that awakens them to a whole new level of understanding life.
The religous experince of Trance, is the oldest form of religous expression the human has to offer the sacred.
From the whrilling dervishes of turkey, to the Huichol natives of Mexico, to the Trancers of Goa India to the Bon-po of Tibet we find evidence of Trance dancing.
Electronic music can bring us into the ancient continum of trancendental experience.
According to some researchers our knowledge of the musico-religious terrain is only baby-steps compared to the sophisticated knowledge and techniques used by our fore fathers.
Although there is a great deal of information for us to glean from, as well too we are bringing new fresh innovative methods to this cultural experince with our electronic methods.
The added effects of immersive multimedia emviroments,(sacred geometry,tantric symbology) as well as an increased knowledge on how to use psycedelic drugs to open ourselves to the shamanic realms(including designer drugs(mdma,mda,..) make us the LEADERS in a evolutionary chain of programs that was left for us entwined in our DNA master script, preparing us for the next leap in human evolution.
The very foundations of a global culture that trancends outmoded ways of living,(divisions of race,class,ethnicity,gender,ect) are being paved on our global dancefloors.
True Trance traditions such as in the West African cultures, the dancer dances for extended periods of time to the pulsing drums, gods or deities come into the body of the priest or priestess the personality of the dancer dissapers and is replaced by that of the deity.Many dancers can become possessed at a time and the proceedings can become quite intense,afterwards they do not remember anything.
This shows the true power of Trance. as well as the traditions of walking on fire hot coals,chewing glass,handling serpents and speaking in tounges all point to a power which is not readily understood by western folks.
The altered states of consciousness sought out by us is a cry to merge with th other,the sacred,and the unspeakable.
Swept up in the beat, the dancers enter into these profound realites surrendering their ego to the awesome power that rhythm has, as a healing mechenism not only on a personal level but on the level of the cosmic mass(humanity)
The primary focus of HEALING our relationships with ourselves and the earth, can lead us to discover parallel realities where solutions to seemingly unsolvable problems are possible.
We dissapear become spirit, and simultaneously detach ourselves from our everyday struggle to survive.
it truly is "meditaion in motion".....

Cosmoz

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It's well written, but don't take this personally, but I think it's extremely far fetched and not credible to the slightest.

I find your challenge intellectually stimulating.
What part do you find far fetched and i will attempt to elaborative the facts from the speculation.
C.

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"A lyger, it's pretty much my favorite animal, half lion half tiger, bred for it's skills in Magic."..N.Dynamite

pretty much every single thing you've mentioned. I don't mind opinion texts - but don't write it like a scientific text unless it's scientific.

scientific:

A half an inch above the roof of your mouth there is a gland that produces DMT.
It has been shown that DMT is released into the nervous system before birth,during birth, and at death, as well as during high states of fear and through prolonged Dancing and tantric sex.
The ancient science of yoga instructs the student on how to raise the "serpent energy" up through the spine where it stimulates the release of "nectar" which is a neurotransmitting drug.(DMT) and produces the "satori" effect.Dancing for prolonged hours combined with breathing tecniques will stimulate the same area of the brain.
The brain goes out of the way to protect its DMT supply.
The Shamans of the amazon, ingest DMT from Plants,toads,and vines bypassing the prolonged effort of the yogi.
Because the Brain makes DMT it must also have synapses to recieve it as well. these lay dorment for most of a humans life, and can be awakened through eating DMT\harmaline=ayahausca.
as well as making snuff powders from the psycotria viridis plant.
The back of the bufo toad contains high amounts of DMT and was a medicine sought out by the Classic Maya, and smoked while under the influence of Psilocybin.
The drumming pulse of the ayahuascaro is the same as the north american Indian, right up to the inuit....This pulse which is what we all have copme to know and love, is the pulse we hear in the womb which trully is the supreme trance state.
SO we have two methods leading up to the same results.
The African Trance dancers have been caught on videio walking on hot coals,chewing glass,handling poisonous snakes, and speakingin tounges is a well recorded symtom of Trance from Africa-to the deep southern fried christain ramblers in the USA.
It has been speculated that our ancestors, apon comming down from the trees and onto the plains of Africa, encountered psilocybin mushrooms in the dung of the hoofed beasts. and it has been proven that ingesting a large amount of psilocybin will cause spontanious glossalia, and this is how humans began to apply MEANING to SOUND.
Our brains really have only truly to become activvated aswell as a culturemove towards a more holistic appraoch to healing and self discovery and by understanding TRANCE states and Plant drugs which seem to fit into the locks of our psyche only then will we be able to stand alone and say...we made it....

Cosmoz

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"A lyger, it's pretty much my favorite animal, half lion half tiger, bred for it's skills in Magic."..N.Dynamite

That's alot better

These little bits still bugged me though;

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This pulse which is what we all have copme to know and love, is the pulse we hear in the womb which trully is the supreme trance state.

That doesn't sound too objective. You should try to avoid expressions like "truly is the supreme..."

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...a large amount of psilocybin will cause spontanious glossalia, and this is how humans began to apply MEANING to SOUND.

That seems to come out of nowhere. Do you mean to say that psilocybin produces an emotional response when coupled with certain sounds? In that case - wouldn't that just describe music in general? And do you mean "glossolalia"?

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Our brains really have only truly to become activvated

There hasn't been any recent significant change in brain physiology, and there aren't really any "dormant" structures, so what do you mean by this?

"Supreme trance state"
what i meant by this is that one doesnt have to do anything in the womb to achieve this state, it just is. I believe your mothers pulse is heard while in the womb, thus, as we dance to the similar beat of the womb, we create similar trance states,which is supreme!
I speculate there is alot to learn by being in these states,as my essays imply.

Psy-explorer Terenence McKenna(RIP) in his book "the archaic revival"
Gives a theory that during the course of evolution, we encountered psilcybin shrooms growing from the dung of the herd animals on the plains of Africa, as we forged for food we would of eaten these mushrooms. It has been proven that when one eats a shamanic dose of psilocybin, Sounds spontanously errupt from the mouth of the stoned, being early humans, the visions and the effects of the psilocybin would then be connected to the sounds whcich were being produced. after the high wore off, they would attempted to make the same sounds,thus sound was tied in with meaning, and if anyone of you have ever eaten a shamanic dose of shrooms and sat in the dark, the visions area incredible. Glossalia is a term given to "speaking in tounges", automatic sound issuing forth spontaniously from the participant.
Let it be known that the brain produces psilocin and when psilocbin is eatin the brain turns it into psilocin.(that is scientifically true). So we see here a connection between sound-meaning-psilocybin.
which is a tryptamine.N,N-Dimethyltryptamine is the parent molecule of our nervous system.
Now it is also scientific fact that we only use a very small portion of our DNA. And a very small portion of our brains. Its as if we were not allowed to have access till a certain point in evolution.
Which then goes into a whole new feild of my studies, which i will write about another time. that is to do with the Planet Nibiru, the Annunaki, and the creation of man as gold miners 250 000 years ago.

Cosmoz

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"A lyger, it's pretty much my favorite animal, half lion half tiger, bred for it's skills in Magic."..N.Dynamite

uh-huh.

Here's a link to debunk that old 10% myth
http://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/tenper.html

Most of my knowledge of psychoactives has to do with brainwaves, but I'm sure someone else on this forum could have better insight (I know there are at least a couple of other psych students around here)

OT: Original topic maker, are you one of the people that goes to the ROXX in Barrie on a Sat night that makes up 1 of the 5 people in the west room?

*It's where I go when at the Roxx*

Nice artical on the 10 percent idea.
I'll rephrase my opinion, which may suit the artical better.
We have as human beings strands of DNA that scientist label as JUNK DNA.
DNA is the master program of our realities.
I'll go out on a limb here and say this:

I feel that drugs such as DMT allow the user acsess to dormant DNA master scripts, which when learned and applied allow a human being to participate and co-create realites based on the knowledge recieved from there inner journey.
LSD was the begining of this journey for western man/womankind it was at least for me. then mushrooms. which i had a harder time getting use to. i found the tryptamine exstacy to be quite frightening at fisrt on my early nervous system. yet my relationship grew with the mushroom, and it began to speak to me.
Then when i was ready the universe/source decided to train me in the shamanic tradition to "see" with the eyes of DMT. the highest form of human experience, i believe the DMT ecxperience to be the most NOVEL and the most spiritually rewarding for those who dare venture over to the hyper realms.
The information that the natives have held sacred thousands of years they say they learned from the plants, the palnts that contain DMT.

An interesting side note.

A friend of mine whom i havent seen in quite a long while, told me this. In Austraila where the Acacia Tree grows(its bark containing DMT) where in the forest the Trees have been stripped around the trunks of the trees practically killing these trees the DMT levels in the surrounding forests level of DMT goes way down.
Now in areas where ONLY strips of the bark are harvested allowing the tree to survive and grow back its bark the levels of DMT skyrocket. Its as if the tree is gifting itself of the medicine to us and only us who respect it.

Cosmoz

And no i have never been to the roxx in Barrie.
Peace and light. .C.

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"A lyger, it's pretty much my favorite animal, half lion half tiger, bred for it's skills in Magic."..N.Dynamite

I would be interested in knowing about your knowledge of Brainwaves,
it sounds interesting.

I look at psycoactives as this:

Neurotransmitter(drug) + synapse = experience.

C.

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"A lyger, it's pretty much my favorite animal, half lion half tiger, bred for it's skills in Magic."..N.Dynamite

Interesting post. Personally I think the spiritual signifigance of psytrance mainly stems from the culture of mental exploration that surrounds the scene and not from the music itself. Its a way for like minded people to be brought together by a common interest. Its still extremely psychedelic though and the perfect music to indulge your senses to and the vast ammounts of hallucinogens at parties no doubt help this. Whether there is a connection between trance music per se and consciousness... I honestly dont know. It think it, like everything else, has as much signifigance as you are willing to put in it. Certainly going to an outdoors trance gathering has infinitely more impact, spiritual or otherwise, than going to a club for example. So in essence its just as much about the experience and journey as it is about the music.

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Originally posted by cosmoz It has been speculated that our ancestors, apon comming down from the trees and onto the plains of Africa, encountered psilocybin mushrooms in the dung of the hoofed beasts. and it has been proven that ingesting a large amount of psilocybin will cause spontanious glossalia, and this is how humans began to apply MEANING to SOUND.

Where are you getting this fact from. Attributing human consciousness and language to mushies is a pretty huge leap of faith. If so, why dont they feed them to lab chimps and see if they develop language?

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Last edited by Axolotyl on Oct-27-2005 at 04:37