Which is a better -value-? What I mean by that is, is the V-synth worth the significantly higher price?

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Last edited by armanivespucci on Nov-08-2005 at 04:56

I just sold my JP 8080 and got the V Synth XT, but I have only played around with it for a week or so. The money I ended up spending to get the V-Synth was well worth it so far. The main advantage I like is the 16 parts, but the only disadvantage of that FX are shared (But you can bypass the effects using the direct out, which I do when using multi parts).

Basically you have everything the JP8080 does plus many other features. You can build your own patches from samples you record. I haven't tried it yet but there are some tweaked out vocal samples on the presets so I am looking forward to the possibilities. The V-Cards built in are the DC-50 and the vocal designer.

There is a time trip function I haven't played around with yet either(apparantly like scratching without stopping the sample). I am trying to find the discipline to sit down and read the manual instead of just pushing the buttons and playing with knobs, but I am only about half way through.

If you are into creating your own sounds this is a really good synth. There are alot of possibilities.

I heard the supersaws are worse on the vsynth (yes, they can get even worse apparently), can anyone confirm this?

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Originally posted by Thois I heard the supersaws are worse on the vsynth (yes, they can get even worse apparently), can anyone confirm this?

Sorry, you must only talk of the supersaw in the final supersaw thread.

To answer your question, no, I believe it is the same.

I would just pickup a jp8080 , its a beast!

I forgot to mention how nice the touch screen LCD is, and the interface is pretty intuitive. Also the USB interface makes it quick to get your samples/patches back and forth.

As a follow-up:

know anywhere I can get a relatively good deal on a V-synth? (Either rack or keyboard)

I saw an XT on eBay for 200 bucks. Sounds sketchy.

Also, frankly, if I'm switching to hardware from software, it might benefit me to buy a set of synths instead of blowing 2k on one excellent one, although I do have money to spend. What do you think? After all, I could grab a JP8080, an Access Virus, and a Nord for the price of a new V-synth...

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Last edited by armanivespucci on Nov-09-2005 at 19:06

average price for v-synth keys is between $900 - $1200. Rack version just came out and sells for about $1700 - $2k.

I was not impressed with neither key/rack - simply the nature of the synth itself. First of all you have to understand that you're dealing with rompler and glorified sampler/mingler. You also get Roland's COSM FX (which are somewhat good). Bottom line - I wish I had a better analogy but you're better off with software.

As far as JP8080 goes - that's an old, overused, limited poly (10 voices) synth. Oh, and quality-wise - average at best.

Two completely different instruments, tho.

You can take your own samples and load them into vsynth to create other chopped up, mingled, bastardised samples. be ready for a steep learning curve and dealing with notoriously terrible Roland manuals written in Engwish (Japanese translated to english).

So, those are your choices. You want word of advise from someone who had just about every single synth there is?

Get virus TI or Virus C. Learn it and program it. No JP or VSynth will come close. Oh, and virus can sound like anything. Try that with JP.

sorry, just my $0.02 worth.

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Originally posted by emc^2 average price for v-synth keys is between $900 - $1200. Rack version just came out and sells for about $1700 - $2k. I was not impressed with neither key/rack - simply the nature of the synth itself. First of all you have to understand that you're dealing with rompler and glorified sampler/mingler. You also get Roland's COSM FX (which are somewhat good). Bottom line - I wish I had a better analogy but you're better off with software. As far as JP8080 goes - that's an old, overused, limited poly (10 voices) synth. Oh, and quality-wise - average at best. Two completely different instruments, tho. You can take your own samples and load them into vsynth to create other chopped up, mingled, bastardised samples. be ready for a steep learning curve and dealing with notoriously terrible Roland manuals written in Engwish (Japanese translated to english). So, those are your choices. You want word of advise from someone who had just about every single synth there is? Get virus TI or Virus C. Learn it and program it. No JP or VSynth will come close. Oh, and virus can sound like anything. Try that with JP. sorry, just my $0.02 worth.

The vsynth shares the same osc/ filters as the jp8000 + more, I would ever consider a glorified sampler it is a very capable synth and the effects on it are really good(for onboard). Also you can sequence just about any param for some very complex sounds. The touch screen interface is also very nice aswell. If your looking for something to produce new and unique sounds the vsynth is it... I had it for a bit, but i sold one for a xpander havent looked back since, then again all my musics sounds like its from the 80's

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One other thing, yes - you can get JP, Virus, and Nord for under $2K, but my advise (if you have this kind of cash to throw around):

1. Virus C desktop - $800 - $1000 on ebay (or get Indigo II for about $1100)

2. Korg EX-8000 - vintage analog rack, highly versatile and underrated! awesome fatness and cheap (about $100 - $200)

3. Drum module - E-MU PX-7 - amazing sequencer/synth/beat box for about $300 - $600. An unknown but F-CKING SICK piece of gear

... and I assume you'll need some monitors. May I suggest Audiophile BX5a's??? for $300/pair you get the best monitors money can buy for under $1K - I crap you not, I sold my Mackie 824's when I bought these. They are awesome! I tested them side by side with my friend's "ADAM" monitors - they were virtualy indistinguishable in a listening test. For about $1500 in price difference - they were definitely winners.

Forget v-synth, it's a toy.

Oh, and don't buy TI just yet - it's still being refined and you won't get your money's full worth for another few months. by that time, some people may decide to dump theirs.

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No one wants to die. Even people who want to go to heaven don’t want to die to get there. And yet death is the destination we all share. No one has ever escaped it. And that is as it should be, because Death is very likely the single best invention of Life. It is Life’s change agent. It clears out the old to make way for the new. Right now the new is you, but someday not too long from now, you will gradually become the old and be cleared away. Sorry to be so dramatic, but it is quite true.

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Originally posted by fr0st I had it for a bit, but i sold one for a xpander havent looked back since, then again all my musics sounds like its from the 80's

Ha! Another one saw the light! Amen! Most of my remaining synths are analogs. I have a Matrix 12 and Jupiter 8 - the best analogs of all time. I also have Korg EX-8000, Matrix 1000, Juno 106, Cheetah MS6 and (soon to be sold) Nord Rack 3 & MKS80. My only remaining VA's are SN II ProX, AN1X, JD-800 and tha's it... Well, if you don't count the drum modules and odd rompler here and there.

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Totally forgot about my latest aquisition!!! Minty fresh ROLAND SYSTEM 100, MODULE 101 - WOOOOOOOOOWWWW! Semi-modular 30 year old analog (mono) -- what a lovely lovely little gizmo! Way wicked!

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No one wants to die. Even people who want to go to heaven don’t want to die to get there. And yet death is the destination we all share. No one has ever escaped it. And that is as it should be, because Death is very likely the single best invention of Life. It is Life’s change agent. It clears out the old to make way for the new. Right now the new is you, but someday not too long from now, you will gradually become the old and be cleared away. Sorry to be so dramatic, but it is quite true.

--Steve Jobs (1955 - 2011)

Last edited by emc^2 on Nov-09-2005 at 21:13

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After all, I could grab a JP8080, an Access Virus, and a Nord for the price of a new V-synth...

you aint using your existing synths properly if you think its a good idea to buy 3 VAs. the learning curve on all of that alone will blow your mind for years to come.

nobody needs more than 1 VA.

and as for the v-synth. you buy one because you want one and what it can do. assuming you know what it can do and put up with its little quirks and perculiarities. if you dont, theres absolutely no point in shelling out that much cash on something you will probably use once or twice, then leave to gather dust.

i saw that happen too often with friends buying expensive instruments and not using them to their potential. and its such a waste.