with my lack of knowlagde about music theory i've found it very useful lately with my harmonic mixing, but i got some questions, hopefully somebody will explain me some things

-so... does, for example 12A will sound good with 12B, 1A with 1B and so on... or that's complety different tones? <- i don't know is it proper word

-does Dm mean D minor or major?

-and last but not least, what does flat-sth. or sharp-sth mean? is it the same F-sharp major and F major, i suppose not, but if somebody could explain me this in possible easy way (without using music slang, when it isn't necessary ) i would be very grateful...



thanks in advance

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Originally posted by Fearless One with my lack of knowlagde about music theory i've found it very useful lately with my harmonic mixing, but i got some questions, hopefully somebody will explain me some things -so... does, for example 12A will sound good with 12B, 1A with 1B and so on... or that's complety different tones? <- i don't know is it proper word

Whatever key you are in, the keys next to it on the circle on any direction, will match. Let's take E major as an example. Clockwise, we have the dominant B major - that's a nice match. Anti-clockwise, the subdominant A major - another nice match. Below on the inner circle, the relative minor D-flat. The relative minor is the minor key that will be the best fit with that major key.

Another example - a minor key this time (as most EDM is minor). G minor has the domininant D minor to the clockwise, subdominant C minor to the anti clockwise, and relative major Bflat on the outer. Any of those would be a good match.

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-does Dm mean D minor or major?

Dm = Dminor.
D = Dmajor.

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-and last but not least, what does flat-sth. or sharp-sth mean? is it the same F-sharp major and F major, i suppose not, but if somebody could explain me this in possible easy way (without using music slang, when it isn't necessary ) i would be very grateful...

Sharps and flats are just different note names. In theory, a sharp sign (#) raises a note by one semitone and a flat sign (b) lowers it. In terms of harmonic mixing, all you need to be aware of is that F and F# are different keys. Mixing any key with its sharpened key would be a clash as they keys are so close together (so, mixing from F - F# = clash).

Hope that's answered your questions...I don't use the easymix system as I know all this off by heart so just ask if you need more explanation or if ive used too much 'music slang'

Last edited by est on Nov-15-2005 at 01:30

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Originally posted by est Whatever key you are in, the keys next to it on the circle on any direction, will match. Let's take E major as an example. Clockwise, we have the dominant B major - that's a nice match. Anti-clockwise, the subdominant A major - another nice match. Below on the inner circle, the relative minor D-flat. The relative minor is the minor key that will be the best fit with that major key. Another example - a minor key this time (as most EDM is minor). G minor has the domininant D minor to the clockwise, subdominant C minor to the anti clockwise, and relative major F on the outer. Any of those would be a good match. Dm = Dminor. D = Dmajor. Sharps and flats are just different note names. In theory, a sharp sign (#) raises a note by one semitone and a flat sign (b) lowers it. In terms of harmonic mixing, all you need to be aware of is that F and F# are different keys. Mixing any key with its sharpened key would be a clash as they keys are so close together (so, mixing from F - F# = clash). Hope that's answered your questions...I don't use the easymix system as I know all this off by heart so just ask if you need more explanation or if ive used too much 'music slang'

I must thank you. I have never truly ventured into Harmonic Theory, simply because I thought it daunting. But thanks to you, you ahve shed some light. I am definitely making this my next endeavour. Anyone have any books or manuals they recommend?

Many thanks!

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Originally posted by est Whatever key you are in, the keys next to it on the circle on any direction, will match. Let's take E major as an example. Clockwise, we have the dominant B major - that's a nice match. Anti-clockwise, the subdominant A major - another nice match. Below on the inner circle, the relative minor D-flat. The relative minor is the minor key that will be the best fit with that major key. Another example - a minor key this time (as most EDM is minor). G minor has the domininant D minor to the clockwise, subdominant C minor to the anti clockwise, and relative major Bflat on the outer. Any of those would be a good match. Dm = Dminor. D = Dmajor. Sharps and flats are just different note names. In theory, a sharp sign (#) raises a note by one semitone and a flat sign (b) lowers it. In terms of harmonic mixing, all you need to be aware of is that F and F# are different keys. Mixing any key with its sharpened key would be a clash as they keys are so close together (so, mixing from F - F# = clash). Hope that's answered your questions...I don't use the easymix system as I know all this off by heart so just ask if you need more explanation or if ive used too much 'music slang'

awesome post, thanks a lot

est, thank you very much!

now, it's much more clear... thanks once again!

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Originally posted by alefort Anyone have any books or manuals they recommend?

Take piano lessons. They will help beyond belief in many ways.

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...threadid=125634


Get into This thread and read, there is a lot of stuff to learn there,
This thread is for Harmonic mixing.

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Originally posted by Pinokio http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...threadid=125634 Get into This thread and read, there is a lot of stuff to learn there, This thread is for Harmonic mixing.

i checked this thread earlier, indeed some interesting info there...


however, i got another question...

when i pitch up tracks, key may change, and it probably do... now, how many % make tune sound "one key higher"?


and which key is higher, for example 5A (Cm) or 6A (Gm)?

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Originally posted by dark_Omens [quote]Take piano lessons. They will help beyond belief in many ways.

Yes. That's how I learned, plus years of Bach harmony training.

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Originally posted by Fearless One i checked this thread earlier, indeed some interesting info there... however, i got another question... when i pitch up tracks, key may change, and it probably do... now, how many % make tune sound "one key higher"?

A 3% change is the amount that begins to make a difference (though I don't think this is enough to make a full key change). You're right to consider this, as if you have 2 tracks that are a perfect key match at normal pitch but then you pitch one up a lot to beatmatch it, it will begin to clash (keys that are closest together clash the worst). But tunes that clash at normal pitch (e.g. B and Bb) will sound better if you pitch up the Bb record enough, as it will get closer to the B.

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and which key is higher, for example 5A (Cm) or 6A (Gm)?

Both. The musical alphabet starts at A, goes to G, then starts again at A, ike this:
A B C D E F G A B C D E F G A B C D E F G....
Each A-G is called an octave, so you have a C and a G in each octave.

If you pitch up a 5A-Cm then it will turn into a 12A-Dflat minor and then if you keep going it turns into a 7A-Dm, not a 6A(Gm). I forget how much a semitone is pitchwise. Maybe someone else can help.

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Originally posted by Zild If you pitch up a 5A-Cm then it will turn into a 12A-Dflat minor and then if you keep going it turns into a 7A-Dm, not a 6A(Gm). I forget how much a semitone is pitchwise. Maybe someone else can help.

wow! didn't know about that! is there some rule how many steps it goes and to what direction, or is it just random in the table?

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Well this is how the rules are. If you pitch up a semitone you get a sharp, which is the same thing as the flat of the next note up. If you pitch up a whole tone then you get the next note up.

e.g.
A pitched up a semitone is Asharp/Bflat
A pitched up two semitones is B

C pitched up a semitone is Csharp/Dflat
C pitched up two semitones is D

ect... It just follows the alphabet there are some exceptions like there is no Esharp/Fflat because the interval between those two is only a semitone, and the same with B/C.

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