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Shot man not connected to bombing Police cordoned off a 200-metre area around the station A man shot dead by police hunting the bombers behind Thursday's London attacks was unconnected to the incidents, police have confirmed. The man, who died at Stockwell Tube on Friday, has been named by police as Brazilian Jean Charles de Menezes, 27. Two other men have been arrested and are being questioned after bombers targeted three Tube trains and a bus. A suspect package found in north-west London may be linked to Thursday's attacks, police believe. 'Tragedy' Brazilian diplomats in London said they had been told by police the man who was shot dead by police on Friday was a Brazilian. An earlier Scotland Yard statement read: "We believe we now know the identity of the man shot at Stockwell Underground station by police on Friday 22nd July 2005, although he is still subject to formal identification. "We are now satisfied that he was not connected with the incidents of Thursday 21st July 2005. "For somebody to lose their life in such circumstances is a tragedy and one that the Metropolitan Police Service regrets." Ken Livingstone, Mayor of London, said: "The police acted to do what they believed necessary to protect the lives of the public. "This tragedy has added another victim to the toll of deaths for which the terrorists bear responsibility." A package was found by a member of the public in bushes in Little Wormwood Scrubs on Saturday morning. Good response to CCTV plea 'They unloaded five bullets' A Scotland Yard spokesman said: "Explosives officers attended the scene. An initial examination suggests that the object may be linked to devices found at four locations in London on July 21." Police said it would be subject to "detailed forensic analysis". Police have also raided a house in Streatham Hill, south London, in connection with the failed attacks. The statement confirmed the man had been followed by police from a house in Tulse Hill that was under surveillance. His death is being investigated by officers from the MPS Directorate of Professional Standards, and will be referred to the Independent Police Complaints Commission. John O'Connor, former commander of the Met Police, told the BBC the consequences of the shooting were likely to be "quite horrendous". He said he expected officers to face criminal charges, and other officers could even refuse to carry weapons. But Shami Chakrabarti, director of human rights group Liberty, said it was too early to judge what the effects would be. She called for a "prompt, comprehensive and independent investigation".

Heard he worked as an electrican and was going to work. Murdering scum. Should be given life. Ken livingstone has some fuckn cheeck aswell.

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Its a shame. and now the British police has some explaining to do.

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wouldnt like to be a muslim/dark skinned person living in london now, they all have targets on there heads(5 of them aswell no doubt)

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demon is that marduk in your avatar??? that guy sucks! worst player! anyway, what the hell was the guy thinking? lets run from the cops whats the worst that can happen?!

I don't really blame the London police they are inexperianced with guns and handling terror as well as most countries. This does not give them a right to kill every dark/muslim person their its just likely that mistakes are bound to happen.

Infairness, if he was brazialian maybe his english wasnt the best?

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Originally posted by metalgearsolid I don't really blame the London police they are inexperianced with guns and handling terror as well as most countries.

There actually one of the countries with the most experience in handling terrorists.

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apperantly the guy was an illegal immigrant that didnt know english at all
i thought british cops dont carry guns specifically because of this reason ?

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Originally posted by Goashem apperantly the guy was an illegal immigrant that didnt know english at all i thought british cops dont carry guns specifically because of this reason ?

Special armed police forces do though. THey had been following since he left his apartment.


Makes you wonder, why they didnt try and arrest outside the apartment? If they were so worried about the publics safety, why wait till he reaches a fucking train station until confronting him?!

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Originally posted by Michael19 Special armed police forces do though. THey had been following since he left his apartment. Makes you wonder, why they didnt try and arrest outside the apartment? If they were so worried about the publics safety, why wait till he reaches a fucking train station until confronting him?!

o o its a conspiracy

Its a very sad thing that this had to happen, and its a very hard way to learn a lesson. You cant jump to conclusions and shoot anyone who looks suspect.

On the other hand, I can sort of understand why they would do it. A dark skinned man, in a heavy jacket in the middle of summer, going into the train station, and form what cops say, he was looking suspicious in the way he acted. PLUS he started running from them.

Like someone mentioned, these police officers are not really trained for this kind of stuff, and with the mixture of their anxiety and adrenaline, it proved to be fatal for this person. Its sad to know that the terrorist are enjoying this display of paranoia.

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Originally posted by Michael19 Makes you wonder, why they didnt try and arrest outside the apartment? If they were so worried about the publics safety, why wait till he reaches a fucking train station until confronting him?!

Because if he wasn't carrying out an imminent attack then it would be in the police's best interest to follow him, see where he goes, and see who he interacts with. That way they can capture the entire cell instead of taking one guy down while the rest escape. So in going to the train station and acting "suspcious" according to reports, it probably seemed like he was going to carry out an attack. At which point the police attempted to arrest him and get him to stop. If he ignored these orders and warnings, and proceeded to run to a crowded train, I can conceivably imagine that to the officers on the ground, he may have posed an iminent danger to the public and thus warranted lethal force. You people are all calling them murderers, and the only details you have are 5 or so bylines. Yup I'm sure that's all the info you need to know for sure that these policemen are murderers.

So what if the brazillian had been a suicide bomber? If he had been under surveillance the police has some reasonable suspicion that he was a terrorist. What if the policemen had warned him to stop, he ignored them, the police had a chance to stop him but didn't, and he ended up blowing himself up when he reached the crowded train, inflicting 20-30 deaths? You all would be calling for the cops to be fired ...

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Originally posted by occrider Because if he wasn't carrying out an imminent attack then it would be in the police's best interest to follow him, see where he goes, and see who he interacts with. That way they can capture the entire cell instead of taking one guy down while the rest escape. So in going to the train station and acting "suspcious" according to reports, it probably seemed like he was going to carry out an attack. At which point the police attempted to arrest him and get him to stop. If he ignored these orders and warnings, and proceeded to run to a crowded train, I can conceivably imagine that to the officers on the ground, he may have posed an iminent danger to the public and thus warranted lethal force. You people are all calling them murderers, and the only details you have are 5 or so bylines. Yup I'm sure that's all the info you need to know for sure that these policemen are murderers.

THey thought he was a suspect from the failed bombings a day before, so surely it was clear they thought he was a imminent threat. I find it hard to believe how he suddenly started acting suspiciously only when he entered the train station.

It looks rather clear cut at the moment.

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