(Copied from a thread which was deleted.)

This was in response to Lebezniatnikov's post regarding Zbigniew Brzezinski. I just thought that it would be a good idea to repost this in the hopes of prompting some much needed debate in regards to the man who Obama has picked to be his foreign policy advisor.

Most people don't seem to know much about him so I figured I'd help elucidate a bit on what I've found.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov Your only evidence for why he's bad news is that he supported the mujahadeen in Afghanistan (which EVERYONE in the West did at the time), and that he's a member of several organizations its clear you know nothing about. Sorry, if you have credible facts, share them and maybe I'll "believe" you. You lot throw around words like "one world government" without any concept of what that means or proof that it's even a plausible outcome, much less an orchestrated one. Your laughable attempts at painting Obama as an evil elitist by third degree association are even lamer than the GOP's Ayers crap.

I doubt that's his only evidence but good try anyway.

Given how sure you seem to be of yourself maybe I should ask you if YOU know anything about the CFR?

The Trilateral Commission?

How about Colonel House, Woodrow Wilson's Foreign Policy Advisor, alter ego, and author of the book Philip Dru: Administrator?

I'm starting to think that this is the next topic that needs to be covered on this board since people seem to be blindly argumentative over topics which are of great importance right now (for those of us who want to continue living in the land of the free, anyway.)

Zbigniew Brzezinski was one of the main architects behind the coming socialist world government and is basically using Richard Gardner's strategy (referenced at the bottom) to destroy our national sovereignty, piece by piece.

Here's a little bit of his thinking, taken from his book. A book which motivated David Rockefeller to create the Trilateral Commission:

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"Marxism, disseminated on the popular level in the form of Communism, represented a major advance in man's ability to conceptualize his relationship to his world." - Zbigniew Brzezinski, Between Two Ages: America's Role in the Technetronic Era

Here's what former Senator Barry Goldwater had to say about the Trilateral's:

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"What the Trilaterals truly intend is the creation of a worldwide economic power superior to the political government of the nation-states involved. As managers and creators of the system they will rule the world....In my view, the Trilateral Commission represents a skillful, coordinated effort to seize control and consolidate the four centers of power: political, monetary, intellectual, and ecclesiastical." - Senator Barry Goldwater, With No Apologies: The Personal and Political Memoirs of United States Senator Barry M. Goldwater, 1979

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In Foreign Affairs magazine in 1974, diplomat Richard Gardner offered his fellow globalists advice on how to bring Americans around to embracing world government. It would have to be done, he wrote, by stealth: "The house of world order will have to be built from the bottom up...an end run around national sovereignty, eroding it piece by piece, will accomplish much more than the old-fashioned frontal assault." http://www.buchanan.org/pa-97-0327.html

Last edited by Trancer-X on Oct-28-2008 at 02:31

Yay, yet another topic on the new world order! Cant have enough of those!

You isolationists sure make me laugh. Im glad the rest of the US isn’t filled with myopic individuals spewing the ignorant tripe you regurgitate on this board on a regular basis.

It’s a close call, but I must award the 'new world order: one world socialist government' as the stupidest theory you subscribe to. Itd be funny if it wasn't so sad. I think of all the wonderful things someone of your intellect could be doing to make a positive difference in the world, and yet you waste your time with ideas that equate to right-wing extremist jew conspiracies (which i might add, is the birthplace for a lot of your nonsense).

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Thanks for bumping it. You might disagree but the facts surrounding it are in complete opposition to what you say.

And just because some of us still believe in the principle of national sovereignty doesn't mean that we're isolationists but I guess since your entire attack is dependant upon your spinning the issue into something else then go right ahead and continue to entertain us with your logical fallacies.

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Originally posted by Trancer-X You might disagree but the facts surrounding it are in complete opposition to what you say.

really? and what facts would these be? a few quotes from similarly isolationist politicians? A few more quotes from rockefellar calling himself an evil 'internationalist'? I know, wanting to spread freedom and democracy (and social mobility) via open markets and open borders. What a bastard!

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Originally posted by Trancer-X And just because some of us still believe in the principle of national sovereignty doesn't mean that we're isolationists but I guess since your entire attack is dependant upon your spinning the issue into something else then go right ahead and continue to entertain us with your logical fallacies.

well, could you give us an example(s) of the US handing over national sovereignty? you know, like how they bowed to UN demands and didnt invade iraq? oh wait...

no, my entire attack revolves around the outlandish notions you believe in so fully yet can't provide the evidence with which to substantiate it. for instance, i would be really interested In the overarching political infrastructure that is necessary for one world government. How are the governments and countries that are openly hostile to american influence going to be brought under the NWO umbrella? What mechanisms will be in place to ensure they are part of the plan rather than opposing it? Indeed, if this plan is so blatantly true as you contend, where is the opposition from the governments/countries that are doomed to be swallowed up by the socialists?

It'd be great if you could quote some well-respected fascists in your answer, like you did with george smiley and the evil EU plan for european domination.

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The whole new world order bollocks just makes me laugh... if any of these people opened their eyes long enough to actually look at the world they'd realize how unstable a place we actually live in.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov The whole new world order bollocks just makes me laugh... if any of these people opened their eyes long enough to actually look at the world they'd realize how unstable a place we actually live in.

i know, its like a 10-year-old's idea of international relations.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN i know, its like a 10-year-old's idea of international relations.

People are dying in Sudan and Iraq, and they're worried that the UN is coming to take their guns.

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