well, it is illegal under the nuremburg codes to use a person for med. experimentation without their consent...i gtg now, ill elaborate at a different time. anyway, i DISAGREE with the death penalty...bbl!

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Just my topic, i did a whole 15 pg research paper for OAC LAW. The death penalty needs to be in force because 1)psychopaths cannot be reabilitated 2)You need to protect society and for some very angry criminal death is the only way you can protect society and what about prison officials and people who work there, they need to be protected 3)Who the hell speaks for the victims, it is always all about the prisoners right but if they had not committed that act and what about the victims families and the ppl around it. They can't bring them back. Look here is my plan, clearcut guilty =death penalty unsure=life in prison. Example is Ted Bundy, he needed to be excuted for his crimes, ditto with timothy mcveigh. Now abu ma jamal (something like that) should have got life in prison if they were not sure, who wakes that call, i'm not sure. If you want a PRO death penalty site.......www.prodeathpenalty.com but please take a look in the links, they have links to neutral sites, anti and pro death penalty sites. I could keep on arguing about this but it seems that most sides are pro, anti or neutral and typing what i think will not sway them anyways. Always an interesting subject among everyone because everyone's view is so different.

to torontotrance.....
this isnt whether or notm u agree with the death penalty but whether u think practising medical experiments on them rather then just executing them would be beneficial to all the people suffering from ailments with no cures...i am interested in what u think

as well as what Renegade thinks,,,,wehn he gets here..

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Well...I dont think medical experiments should be performed...but what about organ donation? Ppl need livers, kidneys, lungs, etc..why not remove say 1 kidney and 1 lung*you can live with just 1* and THEN kill them? Or take em all and just kill em that way*sedative, they go under, take all usefull organs, then give lethal shot* that way, some good comes from the death of these horrible people.

I wont agree with cures for diseases, cuz most diseases are naturally occuring things, and therefore I think should be left to run their natural course. Not all transplants should be approved either..Im kinda sadistic tho.

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Its my view that both the death penalty and medical expierments are wrong. Prison for life seams fair to me, but thats my view.

Jon

that's not really humane is it? Comes pretty close to torturing in my vision. Breaks a couple of conventions also.

So they are wrongdoers. Who are you (who is the state) to make them suffer for their acts...the state is not miss fortuna or God. In the worst cases, you can bring them to death, like you said, put them to sleap, that way you take away the threat to society, that's all you can do and justify it.

You get my point of view? Who decides they need to be punished. The psycho's you talk about don't feel remorse. This indicates they don't feel they did anything wrong. You won't even any scores with them in a fair way by inflicting serious pain on them.

to j_spot
...i respect your opinion...but if your going to take their organs why not just use their entire body...

you say dont search for a cure cause mose diseases are naturally occuring and should run their course....well then why even take the organs like you said...people need organs for diseases right...because their organs have failed in some way...

how can u honestly say let diseases run their course...have you ever seen someone dying of cancer or lymphoma...it is horrendous....a terrible and painful death....when you get a cold do not take cough medicine or an antibiotic or soemthing of the sort...more then likely you do...so then you are contridicting your own statement....i still cant beleive u said let most diseases run their course...thats wild.....maybe you should visit a hospice and look at all the people with "naturally occuring" diseases (whatever they are) and tell them they shouldnt take medication because they should let the disease run its course...thats absurd......

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Originally posted by tiesto14 so we take those criminals and we run EXPERIMENTS on them...for instance...we take a man who has raped a 12 yeard old then killed 4 people in a store because hes a fucking nut case and we put him in a secured hospital ward and inject him with CANCER cells or the AIDS virus or Lymphoma or Diabetes..or any other life threatening dabilitating disease...then we run tests and try new drugs to find the side effects...we try new treatments in a quest to find a cure for these diseases...

hmm.. this would fall under the eight amendment:
"freedom from cruel and unusual punnishment"

sorry bud

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Originally posted by tiesto14 to j_spot ...i respect your opinion...but if your going to take their organs why not just use their entire body... you say dont search for a cure cause mose diseases are naturally occuring and should run their course....well then why even take the organs like you said...people need organs for diseases right...because their organs have failed in some way... how can u honestly say let diseases run their course...have you ever seen someone dying of cancer or lymphoma...it is horrendous....a terrible and painful death....when you get a cold do not take cough medicine or an antibiotic or soemthing of the sort...more then likely you do...so then you are contridicting your own statement....i still cant beleive u said let most diseases run their course...thats wild.....maybe you should visit a hospice and look at all the people with "naturally occuring" diseases (whatever they are) and tell them they shouldnt take medication because they should let the disease run its course...thats absurd......

Yes I have seen people dying from cancer. Fact my uncle did. Oh and if it make any difference I have had cancer. When I was younger I had a cancerous mole removed from my hand. Lucky for me, it hadnt spread. Since then I have formed my opinions. If I was in that situation again, I would tell the doctor to leave it. Even thought it would probably mean certain illness, or maybe even death to me. I dont find this to me a stupid choice, I find it to be very altruistic, and those who choose to undergo treatment for diseases such as AIDS or Cancer, or Lymphoma, or WHATEVER are being Selfish. They are prolonging their own lives for their sake, and that of their family. I dont see much good to society in this. When I get a cold...I do nothing but get plenty of rest, stay away from junk, and take care of myself. I dont take drugs to help myself get better. If I take proper care of myself in the first place, I wouldnt be there, but occasionally I get run down..u know working 30 hours in 2 days only to party for the next 12 hours can do that to you..so I get sick, and I get better cuz I know how to deal withit without WILLINGLY filling myself with drugs that are only making viruses more antibiotic resistant.

Weve had this discussion before.^^^ I cant remembe what thread, but it might be the sticky one about Folding @ home up @ the top.

Why take organs? Because ppl need organs for things other than disease 'replacement' also. Accidents happen. Thats who I would like the organs to go to.

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human experimentation would be considered cruel and unusual punishment. the 8th amendment outlaws any type of cruel and unusual punishment.

they should be injected with sleeping medication, they when everyone leaves, the scientists should haul the "dead" guy away. They take out the dude's useful and operational organs and brains and donate them to science muhahaha

Or may kill the con the same way they killed someone else. If the guy crashed a plane into a building killing many people and survived, that person should stand in the middle of a runway with a plane heading toward him at 200mph. lol.....wait am i sick?