Sure why not ban deliveries downtown? It's not like we havn't banned most other forms of human activity in this city.

Sheesh!

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It sounds like a driver’s dream – banning trucks in the downtown core during rush hour. But it also sounds like a nightmare for small business. And they don’t want any part of it. Councillor Michael Walker has exhumed an old idea – end gridlock in the core by preventing truck deliveries during rush hours in an area bounded by Jarvis to Spadina and Bloor to the Lakeshore. “There is gridlock downtown,” he claims. “We have gridlock on a lot of places but the gridlock is especially noticeable downtown.” Needless to say the idea isn’t getting much of a positive thumb’s up from the truckers themselves. “Can't do nothing about that, man,” driver Jamel Wison responds as he unloads boxes from his rig. “We are doing our jobs, man.” And technically, he’s doing it illegally. Cops can hand out $60 parking tickets for anyone who blocks the street in the busy area, and they can also be towed. But it happens more often in theory than in practice. Most just write it off to the cost of doing business in the big city. And those small mom and pop places insist they couldn’t survive without their supplies – even if they were delivered between 10am and 3pm. “The cost of the labour is also very high, right?” coffee shop owner Joan Lai asks rhetorically. “I can't just schedule extra staff here to receive the deliveries. It's not very cost effective for us.” Mayor David Miller isn’t fond of gridlock. But he’s also not crazy about Walker’s plan. “A member of council is entitled to make a suggestion, whatever my opinion of it,” he responds. “They are entitled to make a motion. Council will deal with it wisely.” Which means it’s not going to happen anytime soon. Because when it comes to banning trucks downtown, there’s no rush hour to pass this idea.

the fact that this is even a serious suggestion is bad. Banning smoking in nightclubs also used tobe a silly idea that no one wanted to touch.


I like this letter to the editor which pretty much sums up my view about this.

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Peaceful, quiet downtown core Do city councillors have a death wish for the downtown core ("Push to ban rush-hour deliveries," Jan. 31)? Let's see, don't drive here, don't smoke anywhere, even outdoors within 15 metres of the entrance to downtown buildings (most doorways are within that distance of each other) -- and now we'll stop trucks from delivering goods in the downtown core, except between 10 a.m. and 3 p.m. With this kind of bubble-headed thinking, there won't be any reason for people to go downtown, as most businesses will be gone. Add this to the bright idea of tolls to get into "Paradise," and voila, the core will be peaceful. This will save the city about $300 million a year, as the homeless will be able to choose their own private doorway to live in, since they will all be empty, and the TTC will save tons of money not having to serve those pesky riders. There, council, your Utopia is saved. G. Daniels Ajax

EXACTLY

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

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this is pretty good too

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Toronto Marathon should be banned by Arthur Weinreb, October 20, 2004 A fatality occurred during the running of last weekend's Toronto Marathon when a 42-year-old Guelph Ontario man suffered a heart attack while nearing the end of the 21 kilometre half-marathon. The unnamed man was the second person to die in the event's 10 year history. The Toronto Marathon has to be banned. Although two deaths in 10 years may not sound like a lot, in round numbers it is more or less two more than the number of people in Toronto who have died from eating previously unfrozen sushi. And as well, we all know, when he's not yelling at hospital employees and officials, Ontario's Minister of Health, Georgie Smitherman, is proposing to ban the consumption of sushi unless it has been previously frozen. If banning things was only the result of an Ontario cabinet minister having too much time on his hands and having a hate on for raw fish that would be one thing. But banning less dangerous products or activities is the Canadian way. At least it's the Toronto way. Recently we have seen bans or proposed bans on smoking in bars, pesticides, taxicabs that are more than two years old, pit bulls and dogs that look like pit bulls. How can the Toronto Marathon continue to be run when the cause of two deaths are so obviously related to the event? Dr. Chris Woollam, the medical director of the marathon (okay, stop right there--the fact that the Toronto Marathon even needs a medical director is proof positive that the run has to be banned for health reasons) told the media that marathon runners over 40 should assess their health before running a marathon. Since when have citizens become responsible for their own health? Adults can't decide to smoke in a bar with other consenting adults or use a pesticide or now it appears, eat sushi that has not been previously frozen. Where did this radical idea that people are responsible for their own health ever come from? The doctor's statement is a shameful expression of individual responsibility that has absolutely no place in 21st century Toronto. It will only be a matter of time before laws are proposed to outlaw smoking in cars and then homes and then limiting the number of Big Macs that people can eat. Yet the radical suggestion is made that people be allowed to run, even though that activity can result in serious injury or death. Although death from marathon running is rare (although seemingly not as rare as dying from eating previously un-frozen or "improper" sushi) injuries and illness are not. The Toronto Marathon "medical tent" was staffed by 30 medical personnel to treat the various ills of the runners. The tent was packed to capacity this year as cold temperatures and strong winds led to all kinds of health problems. We simply cannot let this sort of activity to continue. We might as well just hand out cigarettes to people (except for the homeless--they are already receiving them) and tell them to go ahead and die. All the people who ran in the marathon and later died or required medical treatment were in seemingly good health--or else they never would have attempted the run. So, requiring people to make their own health determinations prior to running simply won't do. The marathon just has to go. People wouldn't risk death, illness or serious injury if they spent their Sundays the way God intended them to--watching football on TV. Of course the city of Toronto will never ban the marathon. The lefties on council get too much enjoyment out of the traffic chaos that the event causes to ever want to see it disappear. The many road closures, especially those that were unannounced and caused some to be stranded in their vehicles for hours, must have been especially pleasing to the bicycle-riding, car-hating set at Toronto City Hall. The runner who died while participating in the run simply died for the cause. Not a high price to pay to watch motorists fume. The only hope for banning the event lies with the province whose slogan should be "today sushi--tomorrow, the marathon".

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

jay i'm sorry i ever bashed you for these kinds of threads......

they're fuckin ace.

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i say we ban walking, seems the logical next step

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Originally posted by DJ Robben i say we ban walking, seems the logical next step

Im sure its coming LOL

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

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‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Im sure its coming LOL

It is, i was just ticketed for stopping at a crosswalk. lol.

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traffic is fucked up because of deliveries...but banning them is not a solution.

I have noticed police ticketing EVERYONE, quite quickly though...I work at Bay/College and a Canada Post truck was ticketed outside our office (he's an idiot...he could park on the sidestreet, but parked RIGHT on Bay instead). The day before a UPS truck was ticketed.

They DO need to do something about blocking traffic...a ban is stupid though...and if I was a business who rec'd multiple deliveries a day, and was negatively impacted by such a ban, I would sue the city

they need to improve transportation with transit and highways if they want to inprove traffic flow.

Banning deliveries, adding speed humps and charging toll isnt the way to do this.

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

A lot of major cities in the world take a variation on banning trucks.. they only allow trucks into the core at certain hours. Usually at night, so it doesn't block traffic.

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Originally posted by psychosomatica A lot of major cities in the world take a variation on banning trucks.. they only allow trucks into the core at certain hours. Usually at night, so it doesn't block traffic.

those places also have other efficient means of transportation to back them up.

We do not

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

I know in Warsaw trucks are banned from certain busy streets; like their version of Yonge, or Bloor, in the downtown core.

and i bet the streets in warsaw are mostly 2 lane and narrow too. Unlike ours which even downtown are typically 4 lanes.

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill