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Q5echo
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Registered: Feb 2004
Location: Dallas
Smiling Frog The Mindboggling French

i hold myself back sometimes at ridiculing the French because i really don't dislike them. (in some ways i admire the culture and sometimes i so wanna be Johnny Depp) anyway, it's their politics that intrigue me the most and how sometimes it not only clashes with it's culture, in this instance, it exposes a really strange mindset that could only come from France.
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March 15, 2006, 7:39 a.m.
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Even the best French are a mess.

Imagine riot police had to be sent into Harvard to quell an enormous student protest. OK, that's not terribly hard to imagine. But instead of the usual reasons for prosperous students to get all uppity — gay rights, antiwar hoopla, a strong math requirement — imagine that Harvard students rioted over the possibility that they could ever be fired from their first jobs.


Well, that's pretty much what happened over the weekend at the Sorbonne, the creme de la Brie of French education. Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin, the leader with the most important hair in Europe, pushed through a law which says that employers don't have to give lifetime job security to job applicants under the age of 26. Seriously. For the first two years of what the French call the First Employment Contract, employers can fire you if you don't do your work satisfactorily or if they can't afford to keep paying you. Of course, if you make it past those first two years, the smothering mothering of the crapulent French Au Pair State kicks back in and you never again have to worry about getting fired. You would have to be an on-the-job rapist or serial killer to get sacked. Even using the wrong salad fork at the company bistro wouldn't do it.

France passed the law because its economic flexibility makes Dick Cheney look like a yoga master by comparison. Until this latest dip of the French baby toe into economic reform, employers had little choice but to offer open-ended employment contracts that amounted to "employment for life." Even the few exceptions to the rule require endless legal battles that may end in the employer being fined and forced to reinstate the employee with back pay. This is a great system if you are already employed (and care more about enjoying cafe-au-laits and endless vacations then you do about the long prosperity and posterity of your civilization). But if you are young, unemployed, or (shudder) an employer, this is a disaster of epic proportions.

Just imagine you own a small company. How eager would you be to hire someone — anyone! — if you knew that you had to carry him or her forever? Never mind all the perks you are required to lavish on employees.

Every sane economist understands that this is an untenable system. Unemployment among French workers under the age of 26 runs at about 23 percent, and it's higher than 50 percent in immigrant-heavy suburbs. Last year's "youth riots" were widely seen as a protest against the lack of economic opportunity. And while surely this is partly a convenient retreat into socialist dogma, who can doubt that unemployment was a significant factor?

So parliament decided to add un petite peu of flexibility. Of course, they couldn't call it "flexibility" because the French consider that a code word for capitalism run amok or "Americanization." And what greater hell is there than Americanization? After all, between 1970 and 2003, America produced 59 million jobs. France, Germany, and Italy put together managed to create fewer than 18 million jobs over the same period — and nearly half of that came from the demographic injection of the East German economy.

America, according to French politicians, journalists, and intellectuals, is an economic state of nature. But in 2004, according to economist Diana Furchtgott-Roth, only 13 percent of unemployed American workers couldn't find jobs in 12 months of looking. In France, 42 percent of unemployed workers couldn't find jobs within 12 months. (In Germany the number was 52 percent, and in Italy it was 50 percent.)

In response to the hint of "flexibility," students at the Sorbonne rioted with the aid of France's powerful labor unions. Fifty-eight percent of French voters now believe the First Employment Contract should be repealed.

The Sorbonne takeover is the most interesting and revealing part of the story because these are the best students France has to offer. In other words, these kids should have the least trouble finding work. But they're revolting because they understand that France isn't an egalitarian society — French propaganda notwithstanding. It is a system designed to lavish job protections, perks and, most of all, the French "lifestyle" on the upper-middle class. France pretends to be a great civilization, but in reality it wants to be an Epcot Center attraction, a "FranceLand" where everything is comfortable and protected. Liberating the job market, even a tiny bit, threatens a system designed to keep the French upper crust from working too hard and to keep those brown-skinned and lower-class slobs out of the best jobs and cocktail parties.

What should be so frightening about this episode for Americans is that it shows how even the best and brightest can become addicted to welfare.

Old Post Mar-16-2006 06:26  United States
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this contract is called here "Le CPE" ....im against it because it only leads to lack of joke security .....this contract is just a big job ....life is hard enough for the youngs workers so add the CPE and it will only be worse


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Given the state of the French economy, I'd say the reforms were necessary - I don't think anyone with any economic sense could deny that - but that article is ridiculously over the top.

Firstly, the idea that employers in France are obliged to employ people for life once they've been hired is completely wrong. I suspected that the French employment laws would be similar to earlier Australian laws and I was right:

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The termination of an employment contract by the employer (other than for “faute grave”) must carefully follow a prescribed procedure, involving pre-termination meeting with right of accompaniment, notices in the French language and specific waiting periods. Notice of termination (or payment in lieu) and severance is generally by CBA provision, or contract if more favorable. Unjust termination (ex. without a carefully documented performance case or redundancy basis) can give rise to claim for damages, often involving many months of salary. Further damages can arise if the termination was found to be “brusque and abrupt”


http://www.worldwideconsulting.com/france.htm

So the employer still has (or had, as is the case now) the right to fire employees, they just needed a legally viable reason for it. Now you'd be quite right to say that all this legal red-tape would be a disincentive for businesses (especially smaller ones) to hire new staff, but all that scare-mongering in the article about "employment-for-life" being legally mandated in France is clearly wrong. All the French law previously said was that you couldn't fire an employee unless you had a valid reason to and I, personally, don't see anything wrong with protecting employees from unfair or capricious dismissal.

Secondly, I don't really understand where the author got his theory (the one concerning the university students only protesting out of self-interest) from. It's almost like he realised that it was going to be too difficult for him to take the moral high-ground against a group of people demonstrating in favour of egalitarianism, so he decided to construct a spurious strawman about the students only protesting because they were racists who want to keep the poor people in their place instead. I mean, you can accuse these people of being economically illiterate but to say that they were protesting these reforms because they "threaten a system designed to keep the French upper crust from working too hard and to keep those brown-skinned and lower-class slobs out of the best jobs and cocktail parties" is just wantonly stupid. Contrary to what the Randians may say, people are not only motivated by self-interest, and so it just may be that these people were sincerely (even if the sincerity was somewhat misdirected) trying to protect the rights of low-income workers. Is that such a difficult concept for the author to fit into his self-satisfied world-view?

Finally, I like it how he had to slip that quip about welfare-dependency in there. It's one of the many favourite fallacies of conservative, economic-right to say that if you provide a man with just barely enough income to live on, that he will grow to become dependent on that income and will go out of his way to shirk work wherever he can. The new laws have nothing to do with "welfare addiction" and they're not about to help the small percentage of people who would rather be on welfare than find work, so - apart from being a complete douchebag - what was his motivation for putting that final sentence in there? I would certainly agree that there are people out there who have a pathological disdain for low-income people, but I really don't think it's the French students we should be looking at here...


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Originally posted by CranberryJuice
this contract is called here "Le CPE" ....im against it because it only leads to lack of joke security .....this contract is just a big job ....life is hard enough for the youngs workers so add the CPE and it will only be worse


Isn't it better to have a job with bad conditions than no job at all though? And it's not like the current law helps a lot protecting your work environment, just look at your own workplace! (probably with this law passed you could choose what job you want instead of having to take what exists).

I hope they introduce something similar in Sweden, but unfortunetely I doubt it.

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