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Originally posted by MarkT I think this is a ridiculous idea...apparently some city coucillors, such as Frances Nunziata and Giorgio Mammoliti, among others, disagree.

Why am i not surprised that these bright lights are behind this? Two examples of councillors that need to go in the next election. Ive had enough of mammioliti and his blatant ignorance. Who the hell votes for this idiot anyways? seriously?

Kids need to learn their rights and have the balls to stand up for them. Actually most adults need to do this as well.

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"How would police identify someone under 16?" Howard Moscoe asks, given that individuals have no obligation to identify themselves to police, unless they are being charged with a crime.

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

DJ Kurfew is NOT for teens...hes R-rated

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let's shut down clubs too.

if there are no after hours clubs, no one will die from e

i thought the law was that your parents are responsible for being with you if you are out late, and if they are not with you they can be charged/fined. also even all ages clubs have a 16+ age right? because thats when ur allowed to be out late by urself

thats what ive always thought were the rules.... i guess i was wrong

More info...

A youth curfew, similar to the one being proposed by Toronto councillor Frances Nunziata after a 12-year-old was stabbed while out late partying this past weekend, has been in effect in New Brunswick for five years.

More than a dozen communities in that province introduced juvenile curfew bylaws in 2001 as a tool to help police get kids who might otherwise be vandalizing or getting in fights off the streets.

Terry LeBlanc, a solicitor who deals with bylaws in one of the curfew-affected cities – Moncton – says since the rules came in five years ago they’ve never seen a problem where kids refused to abide by the restriction.

"I’m not aware of any incidents where kids have refused to move along," he says. "If something like that were to happen it wouldn’t be the child that would be charged it would be the parent charged under the provincial Family Services Act. But we’ve never, to my knowledge and I’ve been here 14 years, had a parent charged under that."

Moncton’s curfew bars youths under the age of 16 from being out alone past 10pm, or in the summer months of July and August 11pm. LeBlanc admits that though there have been isolated incidents involving unruly kids in the past, it hasn’t been a significant problem either in his town or across the province.

But should one occur, there are potentially serious ramifications for the parents.

"Basically what happens is if a child refuses to leave, he or she can be treated as a child in need of protection under the Act," LeBlanc says. "The police could notify the minister responsible for child welfare and technically the minister could take the child under protection and place him or her in a foster home."

Not everyone is in favour of the idea of youth curfews, arguing it violates the Charter of Rights in respect to discrimination on the basis of age, and the solicitor says there are potential legal challenges to the validity of the bylaw.

However, he describes reaction to the bylaw when it was brought in in Moncton as "non-existent," from both the teens affected and their parents.

He adds that one of the significant challenges to bringing such a bylaw to a city like Toronto is ensuring the community is involved in getting young people off the streets late at night.

"There has to be an education program with all of this not just for the parents but for the people who are complaining," he says. "You just can’t complain (about kids being out), you have to step up and report it. Sometimes it’s difficult to get members of the community involved in the enforcement process but without their involvement you can’t enforce anything."

Nunziata reportedly plans to re-introduce the motion relating to a possible Toronto curfew in city council this spring.

Source: http://www.pulse24.com/News/Top_Sto...28-014/page.asp

I live in Moncton and wasn't even aware of this curfew This curfew has not cut down on teen prostitution and drugs in the city.. that's for sure.
As mentioned above, I also thought it was the parents responsibility to know the whereabouts of their teen.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Why am i not surprised that these bright lights are behind this? Two examples of councillors that need to go in the next election. Ive had enough of mammioliti and his blatant ignorance. Who the hell votes for this idiot anyways? seriously?

my sentiments exactly. Nunziata's a fucking moron to put it lightly.

another issue is that the police do not have a right to stop, question or otherwise detain anyone who's out in public unless they have just cause to believe you're in possession of drugs or weapons, or have committed a crime, AFAIK.

so...how will they determine someone's age if the average person doesn't even have to stop and identify themselves to police when out in public? Because someone "looks 16 or under" would hardly stand up as just cause in court, I would think?

Thats like trying to stop plane crashes by getting rid of planes.

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Originally posted by MarkT another issue is that the police do not have a right to stop, question or otherwise detain anyone who's out in public unless they have just cause to believe you're in possession of drugs or weapons, or have committed a crime, AFAIK. so...how will they determine someone's age if the average person doesn't even have to stop and identify themselves to police when out in public? Because someone "looks 16 or under" would hardly stand up as just cause in court, I would think?

because most people have no idea what their rights are. Whether its involving police, employers or landlords. All three rely on ignorance or fear to get away with what they get away with.

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

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Originally posted by MarkT let's shut down clubs too. if there are no after hours clubs, no one will die from e

oh man! brilliant!

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Originally posted by cyper Thats like trying to stop plane crashes by getting rid of planes.

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Originally posted by MarkT let's shut down clubs too. if there are no after hours clubs, no one will die from e

EXACTLY why i am against most laws like this. Such as last call, the pit bull ban, the junk food ban in schools, no smoking, etc etc. Social engineering DOES NOT work. And if it even has a slightly moderate effect, it usually creates more problems than it solves.

Banning smoking in clubs will not stop people from smoking. Banning pitbulls will not stop dog bites. Banning junk food in schools will not promote healthy eating. Last call will not reduce drinking, Shutting clubs will not stop drugs or fights, banning kids from being outdoors after dark will not magically solve crime.

ANY law of convenience is unjust and should not even be considered. Sadly as it goes in ontario, everyone is always supportive of a ban unless it actually has negative effects for themselves personally. Then suddenly they think the ban is ridiculous. And therein lies the crutch of today's society.

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill