Agreed. I now have the Trance Experience book and it has made me see things in a whole new light as well.

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I'm not quite sure what you are arguing here. are you saying EDM is a valid art because its comprised of more complicated elements than rock music?

Don't know about feeling ashamed??? I always felt that everyone who tried to put down EDM just didn't understand it.(Living in the past )
Funny thing is, in the early 90's all my mates were like 'What's this shit', and 'Fuck raves', and now they go all the time, and I don't.

Yeah i wouldn't really ever say ive been ashamed, to be honest if i have a little above & beyond or some andy moor, or any other great trance tune playing in my car with the windows down and someone pulls up next to me and looks at me stupid, i honestly just turn my volume up more. I really hate when im talking to someone and we get on the subject of music and im like yeah i understand i'm actually a trance dj, and theyre like that techno shit, that really bothers me. And also people that down edm and dont like it, really dont understand and it sucks that theyre so closed minded because its a great thing and they will probably never understand.

I have to say, that every time I hear the incredible solo in guns'n'roses's sweet child of mine, I get somehow humble on the fact that I don't even know how to play a simple C chord on a guitar. But then again I pity the folks such as yngwie malmstrom, who by-the-way is a legend on the guitar, because they have had to practice for soooo long in order to play that sort of melodies, while I only need to arrangie the midi notes on the piano roll, and get an equally impressive musical experience. While some of the experience of listening to well played acoustical instrumets, is the fact that it requires THAT much talent and experience.. The musicality is just as easily reproduced with a vst synth, and a series of well placed notes.

side note: Just wanted to make people aware of this huge talent on the synth.. Jens Johansson - the keyboard player of stratovarius, and probably the best one at it aswell. (arguably)

I find it to be that they can play a guitar while I can program my own synth sounds. One takes work in reality while the other is digital unless you have a hardware synth. Being a sound engineer takes years of experience just like learning to play the guitar. We just have our talent on a different instrument.

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I believe that the modern day equivalant of a baroque or classical composer is the electronic musician.

Musicians today have as much, if not more control over their compositions than these artists did, hundereds of years ago.

IMHO, Rock and Roll is dead. The towering musical icons of the last few decades are being toppled by the creative electronic musicians in the studio today.

Remember the Eminem song where he says "...nobody listens to techno..." you take away his whiny voice and what you are left with is exactly that: TECHNO

Pop music is driven by the influence of EDM. Today EDM is everywhere. Its in movies, commercials and in the persons car riding next to you. To say the least, EDM fans are die-hard, and I am proud to be one.

I believe that in a few hundered years the names of EDM musicians will rank right up there with Vivaldi and Mozart.

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I understand where you're coming from emc^2, I've thought about this very notion from time to time.

You see for me Trance and other various forms of edm are a new art form, a new musical outlet.

I've played guitar since the age of 11, mostly heavy metal (Steve Vai, Ozzy, Metallica, Megadeth type music) and heavy blues (SRV, Robin Trower etc).
I've dedicated ALOT of time to learning the guitar, been in various heavy metal and rock bands, performed live, written some music, etc, so I know what you mean about 'learning an instrument'.

I still actively play guitar daily, I still record my guitar music and I'm an active member of various heavy metal message forums.

Although I still definitely love the instrument and I still love rock and roll, I find trance music very fascinating.

I'm still in the beginner phase of writing this type of music but I'm having a great time learning all the do's and dont's and I have a great deal of respect for trance/EDM musicians.

I consider people who write/record and perform this type of music to be musicians.
To me, it doesn't matter if you do it with a guitar, piano, singing, synthesizer, sequencer or whatever, if you have the talent to capture the beauty and emotions of good music, than you are a master of your craft.

EDM is definitely not easy, there's alot to learn and master here, just as it is with any form of music I believe.

I'm glad trance music exists and I'm glad I discovered it, so far it's been very entertaining to listen to and very challenging to learn how to write and perform it.

My hat's off to people who have mastered this craft, you have my respect.

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Originally posted by DJMiakoda I understand where you're coming from emc^2, I've thought about this very notion from time to time. You see for me Trance and other various forms of edm are a new art form, a new musical outlet. I've played guitar since the age of 11, mostly heavy metal (Steve Vai, Ozzy, Metallica, Megadeth type music) and heavy blues (SRV, Robin Trower etc). I've dedicated ALOT of time to learning the guitar, been in various heavy metal and rock bands, performed live, written some music, etc, so I know what you mean about 'learning an instrument'. I still actively play guitar daily, I still record my guitar music and I'm an active member of various heavy metal message forums. Although I still definitely love the instrument and I still love rock and roll, I find trance music very fascinating. I'm still in the beginner phase of writing this type of music but I'm having a great time learning all the do's and dont's and I have a great deal of respect for trance/EDM musicians. I consider people who write/record and perform this type of music to be musicians. To me, it doesn't matter if you do it with a guitar, piano, singing, synthesizer, sequencer or whatever, if you have the talent to capture the beauty and emotions of good music, than you are a master of your craft. EDM is definitely not easy, there's alot to learn and master here, just as it is with any form of music I believe. I'm glad trance music exists and I'm glad I discovered it, so far it's been very entertaining to listen to and very challenging to learn how to write and perform it. My hat's off to people who have mastered this craft, you have my respect.

riiizpect, yo!

Seriously, though... I was at my friend's house and he's an accomplished Prog Rocker (think Rush, Yes, etc.) He can play just about any instrument - drums, synths, base and his specialty is electric guitar. So, he has all these musicians over and we start discussing who plays what. Sheet, there were guys who said they play country or whatnot. The moment I said (very quietly) that I play EDM/Industrial/Ambient - the room fell silent and I saw all these disaproving glances. And inspite of what I tried to explain and convince anyone - everyone thought "techno/rave/stupid music" without much thought or consideration. Simply because, as someone once pointed out to me: "Can you grab your instrument of choice and play it live?" I said not just a synth alone. Perhaps a computer, sequencer, sampler, etc. He said - "here's the reason why. Many people don't see the art involved in composing computer-based sequences. They don't care how many tracks you have in your DAW and how many hours that 1 second FS Swoosh took you to create. They see a guitar player and see his art live. Your art is invisible and largely misunderstood by the masses"

That certainly seems to be the "public opinion" of EDM, outside of our tightly-knit, still mostly underground community.

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thanks for that mate! very true gonna print that out anyways. good explanation you have made.
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your right! people who dismiss edm straight away probably sometimes means that they havent seen that invisible side to your production skills. they cant see how much you put in, but then again they songb has to relate to them well for them to like it.

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