I'm on 800s right now, but I have wet dreams about being able to mix progressive house on 1000s. My question is for DJs who take beatmatching seriously: Does the 0.02 pitch control make all the difference when it comes to mixing?
Thanks.
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Mar-29-2007 23:56
Zild
Ten City
Registered: Jun 2004
Location: San Antonio, US : TXTA #156
A little bit.
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all it means is less correcting - nobody will ever match the beat "perfect" adjustments (no matter how minor) will always be needed
Mar-30-2007 00:02
DjWoody
Chingon
Registered: May 2003
Location: Los Angeles (OC) / Mexicali
quote:
Originally posted by Spoonz
all it means is less correcting - nobody will ever match the beat "perfect" adjustments (no matter how minor) will always be needed
EXACTLY! There! And now boys, lets put this PITCH RESOLUTION war to rest, before it even starts.
Mar-30-2007 00:20
cassa.de.x
Senior tranceaddict
Registered: Apr 2006
Location: LA
quote:
Originally posted by Spoonz
all it means is less correcting - nobody will ever match the beat "perfect" adjustments (no matter how minor) will always be needed
Right now with my 800s, I'm pitch-bending every 5-10 seconds during a transition, to keep the tracks in line. How much more time will 0.02 pitch control buy me?
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Mar-30-2007 00:22
Max Thomson
synthetic kinda love
Registered: May 2004
Location: Berkeley, California
If you're pitch bending every 5-10 seconds then the tracks aren't locked to begin with. I don't know how often you should be bending, but I would guess about once every 30 seconds or so with .05 resolution.
I have 1000s, and when I really nail the pitch (taking about 45 seconds or so to beatmatch), then I don't have to make any corrections for about 1 minute or so. Of course, I've been able to mix tracks perfectly for over 3 minutes with no pitch correction, but thats fairly rare.
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Mar-30-2007 00:29
nefardec
Tranceaddict in tranning
Registered: Oct 2004
Location:
2.5 times that
but again no way you should be adjusting it that much
Mar-30-2007 00:30
cassa.de.x
Senior tranceaddict
Registered: Apr 2006
Location: LA
Interesting...I wonder if something about my 800s or CDs are off, as even when I hit a pitch range for the incoming track that's as closely matched as possible, I find that it either lags behind or pushes ahead. For example, +2.25% lags behind slowly but surely, and +2.30% pushes ahead...
I'm burning 320kbps tracks to CD at 4x in Nero 6.
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Mar-30-2007 00:40
SPAWNmaster
DJ/Producer
Registered: Jun 2006
Location: Boston, USA
quote:
Originally posted by cassa.de.x
Interesting...I wonder if something about my 800s or CDs are off, as even when I hit a pitch range for the incoming track that's as closely matched as possible, I find that it either lags behind or pushes ahead. For example, +2.25% lags behind slowly but surely, and +2.30% pushes ahead...
I'm burning 320kbps tracks to CD at 4x in Nero 6.
if you're using tracks that you have not bought but are downloading illegally than this is very typical as illegal tracks always have tempo issues. the reality is regardless of pitch resolution you should be able to hold mixes in excess if 1 minute if you can beatmatch properly. using the cdj200's i've been using the 10% (.01) resolution mode as part of an ongoing test for the past month to see if there would be any problems upgrading to CDJ800's. in fact, even at 10% i have no problems holding minute long mixes without adjusting.
Originally posted by SPAWNmaster
if you're using tracks that you have not bought but are downloading illegally than this is very typical as illegal tracks always have tempo issues. the reality is regardless of pitch resolution you should be able to hold mixes in excess if 1 minute if you can beatmatch properly. using the cdj200's i've been using the 10% (.01) resolution mode as part of an ongoing test for the past month to see if there would be any problems upgrading to CDJ800's. in fact, even at 10% i have no problems holding minute long mixes without adjusting.
just my 2 cts
I'm using Beatport 320kbps mp3s. (And I think you mean .1 increments, not .01.)
If you can keep near-perfect sync between 200s for over a minute, then I don't know what's going on with my DJ rig...
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Mar-30-2007 01:08
Boomer187
Spicy Hotdog
Registered: Aug 2001
Location: USA
yea you should be able to get it closer with .05. I mainly use .02 and am usually spot on with mixes. itd say almost half need no correction. but a lil correction now and then never hurt anybody.
so .02 doesn't make all the difference. but it might help a lil.
Mar-30-2007 01:26
epdarks
mnb4fl
Registered: Sep 2005
Location: mpls mn
I'm not very familiar w/ this stuff but... I beleive the increments change when you adjust the total range. For example +/- 16% pitch will adjust in increments of .1 and +/- 6% will adjust in increments of .02%. I'm sure you already thought of this, but if not, I believe there is a button to change your overall range.