Click on the link and help do our part.
Please guys, it takes 2 seconds, just add ur name, email and postal code, thats it!! but with enough of them, it can make a world of a difference!!!

www.savedarfur.org

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good cause but this won't stop a civil war/ethnic cleansing.
The leaders in Darfur have shown that they don't give a shit what the outside world thinks. Much of the conflict is over very limited natural resources such as water... unless a rain dance makes a darfur an oasis in the desert the other conflicts also are unlikely to be resolved.

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Originally posted by Lightshow i wear sunglasses for the same reason everybody wears them in a club. 1: people look cool in sunglasses 2: it gets awefully bright as the night progresses

*nusty does not wear sunglasses at night, they make it hard to see and you could trip

Oprah did a show about this situation and Uganda. It was a total downer, but an eye-opener for me. People who want to see what it was about should go HERE , and HERE.

If you wanna help, find out how HERE

There's a big rally in DC and San Fran this Sunday. I'm sure more cities will follow. That whole continent is such a mess... its depressing how the whole world just lets it fall apart.

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It's because they aren't willing to help themselves, it would seem.

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Originally posted by VERTiG0 It's because they aren't willing to help themselves, it would seem.

Corrupt governments (elected officials) don't help either.

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What is Bush going to do about this genocide? Send troops in there? Boy oh boy that'll win him more favour with the rest of the world, and stretch thin the already thin US military.

Nothing will be done about it, and as terrible as it is to say it, I like to be realistic, and as such this petition or whatever it is is utterly useless.

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Originally posted by VERTiG0 What is Bush going to do about this genocide? Send troops in there? Boy oh boy that'll win him more favour with the rest of the world, and stretch thin the already thin US military. Nothing will be done about it, and as terrible as it is to say it, I like to be realistic, and as such this petition or whatever it is is utterly useless.

Sorry, stopping a genocide is far more important than the stupid war Bush got us into. Bin Laden, Sadam Hussain & all the others combined-their kills dont even come close to the amt of senseless and horrible deaths in Africa. Not to say that stopping them isn't any less important, but the world has been turning away from some SERIOUS problems in Africa for a long time. Just look at the AIDS situation there alone.

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Originally posted by VERTiG0 What is Bush going to do about this genocide? Send troops in there? Boy oh boy that'll win him more favour with the rest of the world, and stretch thin the already thin US military. Nothing will be done about it, and as terrible as it is to say it, I like to be realistic, and as such this petition or whatever it is is utterly useless.

yeah the issues are deeper than merely sending in a military that is already knee deep in a shit hole it created in a different region.

Yes governments could pressure leaders in Darfur but as I stated before it still isn't even clear who is killing who at this point. Because of a few issues outstanding this is not a clearly defined case of genocide as it currently stands. -This is a major reason why the UN has not stepped in already themselves. The US had agreed to help fight genocide with the UN but... this is not genocide since it is not a clear cut path on racial lines. So as a result the US has deliberately used that as an excuse to stay out that area.
I would like to think that petition would do something but in all likely hood the best it can do is raise awareness for an issue the US has no control over.
Further more the fact that Canadians are signing it won't mean much to the US gov't. Canadians don't elect US leaders and this admin is already in its final years of power anyway so it more or less has to really really illegally screw up to get tossed. If this wasn't on thier agenda 2 years ago it is unlikely to get added to the list now.

Again I would like to be optomistic but having written half my thesis on the conflict it goes a lot deeper than most people realize, this is not just another Rwanda even though much of it may appear the same.

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*nusty does not wear sunglasses at night, they make it hard to see and you could trip

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With all due respect (and I really mean that because I think people's intentions here are very noble), celebrities like George Clooney and small protests of Western governments are not going to change anything in Darfur.

The problems in Darfur will continue as long as Red China continues to block action there. They've threatened to veto any Security Council resolution authorizing the use of force in Darfur (including joint U.N./A.U. actions). Red China has major oil interests in Sudan and is sucking up to its (Arab) government.

http://survivedsars.typepad.com/sur..._and_darfu.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/4917970.stm

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http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...289#post6072289

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Originally posted by ShadoWolf With all due respect (and I really mean that because I think people's intentions here are very noble), celebrities like George Clooney and small protests of Western governments are not going to change anything in Darfur. The problems in Darfur will continue as long as Red China continues to block action there. They've threatened to veto any Security Council resolution authorizing the use of force in Darfur (including joint U.N./A.U. actions). Red China has major oil interests in Sudan and is sucking up to its (Arab) government. http://survivedsars.typepad.com/sur..._and_darfu.html http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/4917970.stm

China is definitely protecting its interests in Darfur, touting its flags everywhere, claiming to be a friend of the country.

But seriously guys, saying things like, "well, we can't do anything about it so what's the point" attitute is what makes things stagnate.

12 out of 15 countries have agreed to place sannctions on 4 sudanese military, th US being one of them. Now I'm not saying things will change over night. But I do believe that exercising our voice does help, if only a little at a time.

Yahoo has great full coverage on the subject. Including one on the US imposing sanctions on Darfur yesterday.

The peace talks are taking place this Sunday, April 30th.

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