I am not sure if this has been discussed. If it has been, i'll be glad if someone can post the link.

I bought the complete album from this site. It let me download the entire album in mp3 format (320 KBPS). The only problem - It actually gave me 30 individual tracks and each track seems to end with a 2 sec pause.

The burnt CD doesn't seem seamless. I tried burning with pause set to 0 seconds (Nero CD ROM Burning Software). But while that eliminated the pause, the set still didn't seem seamless.

I am sure there must be a way of stitching them seamlessly. Afterall, it is abvious that those tracks have been split out of the album.

It is annoying as hell cos the beginning of the track is NOT where the song actually begins. Unless i am able to attach them and form the album, it would be pointless.

Any help is appreciated. Thanks.

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you can cut out the pauses in soundforge or similar program

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Originally posted by DJ Indus Creed ...the entire album in mp3 format (320 KBPS). The only problem - It actually gave me 30 individual tracks and each track seems to end with a 2 sec pause.

There's your problem right there. Never try to burn a mix cd in mp3 format. Convert to wav and your problem is solved. If you want to know why then keep reading.

An mp3 is made up of frames. Each frame has a header and its own audio inputed into each frame. Usually a track does not end exactly where a frame is suppose to because of the small structure of an mp3. This leads the codec (LAME, Fraunhofer, etc) you are using to create empty data frames so the file achieves its proper size. It is those same empty frames that make it impossible to get rid of those annoying gaps when trying to burn mix cds. This is why when making a mix cd you must convert all those tracks to wav format and then burn.

If you are burning a non-mix cd then mp3 or wav is fine.

edit: correction made

Last edited by stevieboy32808 on Jun-05-2006 at 00:00

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Originally posted by stevieboy32808 It is those same empty frames that make it impossible to get rid of that 2 sec pause when trying to burn a mix cds.

totally untrue. 2sec pauses between tracks are the default in most of the burning programs (nero for example). you can always select 0 sec pause for the tracks other than the first track and have a seamless cd. These 2sec pauses do NOT come from the nature of mp3.

When a mixcd is ripped to separate mp3s and then burnt with 0sec pauses the crossovers between tracks have little glitches in them for reasons Stevieboy32808 stated (mp3 frames) You can definatelly use a sound editor to try to paste the whole album together to your satisfaction and then burn in NERO using the splitting function (you can load a mix into nero and then split it so the mix will be on separate tracks on a cd and burn it and have a seamless cd)

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Originally posted by djthunderbird totally untrue. 2sec pauses between tracks are the default in most of the burning programs (nero for example). you can always select 0 sec pause for the tracks other than the first track and have a seamless cd. These 2sec pauses do NOT come from the nature of mp3.

Thanks! I'll edit my previous post and replace '2 sec pauses' with gaps.

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Originally posted by djthunderbird When a mixcd is ripped to separate mp3s and then burnt with 0sec pauses the crossovers between tracks have little glitches in them for reasons Stevieboy32808 stated (mp3 frames) You can definatelly use a sound editor to try to paste the whole album together to your satisfaction and then burn in NERO using the splitting function (you can load a mix into nero and then split it so the mix will be on separate tracks on a cd and burn it and have a seamless cd)

I never knew about this part. So let's say I have I liveset I recorded from the radio and it's one big mp3 file. So you're saying I could split that mp3 file into individual tracks on Nero and burn as one seamless mix? Because I've tried this countless times with no success.

Its in nero in the burning options section when you select new disc.

Set the pause to 0s or off depending on which version you use.

I had already tried burning with pause reduced to 0 sec from 2 sec. However, that still didn't result in a seamless stitch. That's when i posted the question.

I had actually tried various combination, inclusing removing silence at the end of the track and also setting the pause to 0 sec.

I openend up a few of the tracks in the wave analyser. Upon magnifying the start and the end, I see that all of them have some silence frames in the beginning and the end. I might have to eventually try and stitch them in the wave editor and that is some time consuming task.

Was hoping to know if anyone has assembled the mp3 of an album before to get the full album.

I have already started regretting purchasing the whole album with individual tracks. Not that they had the option of the whole album as a one mp3

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this is why everything that's mixed should always be one big file and the track marks should be done with a .cue sheet.

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Like someone has previously said, save all your tunes to a wav format then burn it, and you should have no problems

Wait wait, I think the problem here is more than just a poor burning method. He said that he looked at the waveforms of the songs, and that "all of them have some silence frames in the beginning and the end" of the very tracks themselves. Saving them to wav format does not remove those spaces...

Sorry to say it, but it's probably gonna be a pain in the behind to fix this. You could use the free editing program Audacity to chop out the silence. Also, it is my assumption that Ableton allows you to lay the tracks on top of each other and create one seamless mix that way.

Also, I'd tell the site you bought the album from to get stuffed

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Originally posted by crackity jones Wait wait, I think the problem here is more than just a poor burning method. He said that he looked at the waveforms of the songs, and that "all of them have some silence frames in the beginning and the end" of the very tracks themselves. Saving them to wav format does not remove those spaces... Sorry to say it, but it's probably gonna be a pain in the behind to fix this. You could use the free editing program Audacity to chop out the silence. Also, it is my assumption that Ableton allows you to lay the tracks on top of each other and create one seamless mix that way. Also, I'd tell the site you bought the album from to get stuffed

You hit the nail man. I was getting too bored to respond to all those posts asking me to convert to wav form and burn etc. I already use Nero wave Editor and had tried that even before my last post.

I am already resigned to the fact that i'll have to edit them one by one and burn them using the cue file. The more time i spend on careful editing, the more seamless it will be and therein lies teh problem. The last one took me like half an hour. What a waste of time!

Thank you all for trying to help me out.

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Originally posted by spike_boy69 Like someone has previously said, save all your tunes to a wav format then burn it, and you should have no problems

Converting any mp3 to wav will still leave a gap at either end - if you look at the converted file, you'll see little trails of the sound at either end which are essentially the "remainders" from the decompression calculations.

Nero actually decodes the data from mp3s (essentially to wav) before it burns, so it doesn't make any difference whether you burn an mp3 or an mp3 converted into a wave file.

So either way, I'm afraid you're going to have to go in and manually remove the gaps and either save the tracks off as wave files or save the whole mix as a single file and burn that, using a cue sheet if you still want track marks.

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