Please help me!

For some reason in Fruity, when I export to WAV, my result actually sounds worse than a 192kbps MP3. Shouldn't the WAV actually be the best version?

Just look at this:

1) When I play 192kbps MP3, WinAmp shows that the whole EQ spectrum is covered, as it should be:


2) But when I play the WAV, the rightmost columns are consistently missing from the spectrum:


Why does this happen?? I don't change any defaults.

Is it a WinAmp problem, or I'm doing something wrong?

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It has nothing to do with the wav. Have you mastered you track? Maximaized it, noramlized it. etc?

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What do you mean "nothing"? Those 2 results for exactly the same track, made in FL, with exactly the same settings.

I just did Export MP3 and Export WAV, that's the only difference.

I didn't make any changes to either version, that's just what comes out.

Is it a sound card issue?

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What sample rate are you exporting the WAV as?

In most cases, the last two eq bars are rendered inactive if the sample rate of the WAV is low. This will also explain why the sound quality is bad, because there is no bandwidth for the higher frequencies.

Always render your WAV files at a minimum of 44.1KHz, with 48KHz or 96KHz recommended for mastering (then resampled down for CD or MP3 production). My guess is that you've somehow set FL to export at 22.05 or 16 KHz (if that's even possible).

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Last edited by aquila on Jul-02-2006 at 11:00

i don't think you should really judge eq with winamp... maybe with some monitoring tools that specialises in eq spectrums. to my understanding, wav form is the best quality (in terms of accuracy)... however, mp3 or any other compressed format uses *yeah* compression techniques to make the file size smaller. so, there would be some quality loss in transit. the more you compress, the less accurate that is... i'm sure you already aware of this.

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Originally posted by HardTranceProd Shouldn't the WAV actually be the best version? ...Is it a WinAmp problem, or I'm doing something wrong?

Yes it should be better than mp3. Make sure you are exporting the mix in .wav at 44.1 and not some other lower sample rate. I don't think it would be a soundcard issue since most audio software will export the mix by digitally rendering and so it doesn't involve the soundcard.

and yeh, i wouldn't use the winamp to judge the spectrum although there def seems something is not right there. Winamp isn't that bad!lol To be sure check it using a spectrum analysis plugin. Is the .wav file audibly worse sounding?

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I've noticed winamp does something wierd to kicks i've exported as wav, in try listening too it in windows media player and see if it works any better.

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Guys, just to verify:

In WinAmp, when I right-click on my WAV file, it gives me this info:

"PCM, 44100 Hz, 2 channels". So it is indeed 44.1KHz. Nothing wrong with that as far as I can tell.

I guess the last poster was right -- WinAmp has a problem playing WAV files. Can anyone confirm that? Can you try playing some WAV yourself and see if the highest freqs are missing?

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Originally posted by HardTranceProd I guess the last poster was right -- WinAmp has a problem playing WAV files. Can anyone confirm that? Can you try playing some WAV yourself and see if the highest freqs are missing?

Works fine here.

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.WAV's play fine for me also. Getting a full spectrum.

Have you tried other regular .wav files also? (not from FL) try a bunch to be sure.
If they work fine then it would seem it's something messed up in the export of your track.

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Originally posted by tecnolover .WAV's play fine for me also. Getting a full spectrum. Have you tried other regular .wav files also? (not from FL) try a bunch to be sure. If they work fine then it would seem it's something messed up in the export of your track.

I just tried it: I took some random MP3, opened it in WaveLab, and tried Wavelab's Save As WAV feature (as opposed to any Fruity rendering).

And guess what - WinAmp doesn't show the top frequences again, even in this WAV file!! And the original randomly-chosen MP3 has the full spectrum there just like the other MP3s.

What does that tell me? BTW I'm using WinAmp 5.01.

Maybe my sound card (M-Audio 44 Delta) has some weird setting?

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Problem solved

Just downloaded WinAmp 5.24 (latest) - no such problem there, spectrum's fine.

They fixed the linear vs. logarithmic graphs.

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