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skot_e
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Human Drug Trials

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CUTTING EDGE - DRUG TRIALS - THE DARK SIDE
Tonight's Cutting Edge reveals how poor and illiterate patients in India are being used to test new drugs for the West and some are unaware they are even taking part in these clinical trials. Lying immobile on a bed in Kerala, Devassy Kutty has been used in a human experiment. He was one of the first people to be injected with a drug that had not even been properly tested on animals. He thought he was receiving an anaesthetic. The scientists involved have received an international award for their work but the patient still does not know what happened to him. In another case, Gujarat, a psychiatric patient explains how he was once given some drugs for free and how they made his hands and feet go numb. He does not know that the free drugs were part of a drug trial by a Western pharmaceutical company. This documentary uncovers how the pharmaceutical companies recruit so quickly in India and why some Indian patients are willing to take the risk. Through this investigation carried out by journalist, Paul Kenyon, this documentary uncovers the disturbing truth behind India's boom in clinical trials. (From the UK, in English and Hindi, English subtitles) CC WS

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pkcRAISTLIN
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yeah, i saw a story on this not too long ago. it seems the only way many indians can get treatment is if they are test subjects for american corporations. its a fine line, because without the corporation efforts nobody would be receiving any medical treatment at all, but lots of indian doctors are doing work similar to your post.

sucks to be poor


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skot_e
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There was also something on last year about organ transplant where wealthy westoners in need of a kidney would pay something like $125,000US, to go to india and get a kidney. The hospital would organise it, and then pay the donor about $10,000US and keep the rest.
I'm not really against the buying a kidney if you can afford it (i know someone who needs one), but I think the donor should get 60-70% of the price paid. Then everyone is happy.

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^^ no way. you cant commodify something like that. all that would do is create a market for the wealthy, and no one would donate their organs anymore. they\'d sell them. yuk.


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That's a valid point, but looking at a region of poverty like India, far a person who sells their kidney it's like winning powerball. It is happening regardless of what we say.

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That's a valid point, but looking at a region of poverty like India, far a person who sells their kidney it's like winning powerball. It is happening regardless of what we say.


nah man its wrong.

Selling organs is not good practice.


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Will watch, definately looks like interesting viewing.


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Big US Corporations have gotten away with the most abhorrent crimes against humanity in India like Bhopal

i'll be watching this

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nah man its wrong.

Selling organs is not good practice.

I respect your view, and I'm not saying that people should take the idea lightly, but if someone is willing to offer a kidney to another who needs it.... I'm not against it.
We are lucky that people are willing to offer their organs after death (I am one) but there are sooo many people in need of a transplant.
What about the idea of growing human organs inside of pigs? or stem cells? Scientific advances would eliminate trade in organs for sure. Like I said tho, this is already happening, but the donor gets very little of the money.

Bhopal:
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By the end of October 2003, according to the Bhopal Gas Tragedy Relief and Rehabilitation Department, compensation had been awarded to 554,895 people for injuries received and 15,310 survivors of those killed. The average amount to families of the dead was $2,200


Not much for a life is it.

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I respect your view, and I'm not saying that people should take the idea lightly, but if someone is willing to offer a kidney to another who needs it.... I'm not against it.


correct. But should the person sell their organs? absolutely not.
What about some scheming parents who might sell their childs organs?
It is ethically abhorrent that someone will sell their organs for profit.

Xenotransplants and stem cells are promising, but thats not relevant here, I have nothing against organ donation whatsoever (am one myself). But it should not be allowable for someone to sell their organs, in fact i think its illegal in many countries.


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Well if you were living in such bad poverty & were offered 10k, as if you wouldnt sell one of your kidneys...

What about those human trials that happened to some people in the UK...& how their faces got swollen like the Elephant man or someshit like that...

Poor Simon has even been subjected to this=

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The other scary thing coming out of India at the moment is the amount of Prescription drug medicine they are supposedly 'copying'.


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