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U.S. Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist said Monday that the Afghan guerrilla war can never be won militarily and called for efforts to bring the Taliban and their supporters into the Afghan government. The Tennessee Republican said he had learned from briefings that Taliban fighters were too numerous and had too much popular support to be defeated by military means. "You need to bring them into a more transparent type of government," Frist said during a brief visit to a U.S. and Romanian military base in the southern Taliban stronghold of Qalat. "And if that's accomplished we'll be successful." Frist said asking the Taliban to join the government was a decision to be made by Afghan President Hamid Karzai. Sen. Mel Martinez, a Republican from Florida accompanying Frist, said negotiating with the Taliban was not "out of the question" but that fighters who refused to join the political process would have to be defeated. "A political solution is how it's all going to be solved," he said. In violence on Monday, a suicide bomber blew himself up next to a NATO convoy in the capital Kabul, wounding three soldiers and three civilians, while a roadside bomb in the eastern Paktia province killed three Afghan soldiers and wounded three others, officials said. Afghanistan is being rocked by the worst outbreak of violence since the ouster of the Taliban regime in the U.S.-led invasion in 2001. Militants have increasingly resorted to suicide attacks and roadside bombs. Frist, who said he would announce whether he would run for the U.S. presidency in about a month, said he had hoped that the United States would be able to withdraw its forces from Afghanistan soon. But the 20,000 U.S. troops are still needed to help the 37-country coalition deal with an intensifying Taliban insurgency. "We're going to need to stay here a long time," Frist said. The senator said he had been warned to expect attacks in Afghanistan to increase. There appears to be an "unlimited flow" of Afghans and foreigners, he said, "willing to pick up arms and integrate themselves with the Taliban." He said the only way to win in places like Qalat is to "assimilate people who call themselves Taliban into a larger, more representative government." "Approaching counterinsurgency by winning hearts and minds will ultimately be the answer," Frist said. "Military versus insurgency one-to-one doesn't sound like it can be won. It sounds to me ... that the Taliban is everywhere." Frist and Martinez flew to this dust-blown mountain city 350 kilometers (220 miles) south of Kabul during a one-day stop in Afghanistan on a regional tour that includes stops in Pakistan and Iraq. The pair had intended to visit a new US$6.5 million (�5.1 million) hospital in Qalat built by the United Arab Emirates, but a group of wounded Taliban fighters were recuperating there, including a midlevel commander, and U.S. commander Lt. Col. Kevin McGlaughlin canceled the visit because of security concerns. The senators saw firsthand the legendary hostility to outsiders of tribal southern Afghanistan. As Frist's helicopter landed, children just outside the base threw stones. And the senator's first act on Forward Operating Base Lagman was to pin a purple heart on the base's medic, Capt. Jacqueline King of Tinton Falls, New Jersey, who had been badly burned in a June suicide bombing. "It's rough," King, 42, told reporters and members of Frist's staff. "They're not exactly thrilled to see us here."

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2006...istan_Frist.php

Sounds like a pretty good plan to me. What could possibly go wrong?

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of course guerilla wars are hard to win. but what exactly have we achieved if we incorporate them into the government? the taliban would never settle for representative democracy in any case. i hope our SAS boys are racking up some frags.

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Wow, first bomb the shit out of a country to remove a fundamentalist totalitariam regime, and then decide that you'd rather have them back. Our foreign policy never ceases to amaze me.

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All i have to say is the US really has balls, first its, 'let go after them team! they destroyed our towers and are threating our way of life', now its 'oops this is going nowhere, lets just leave it as it was'. I wonder what happened to the Afghan war being because that notorious attack, but apparently long enough has passed that we can forget about it.

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Orbax At that point you kind of crossed the rubicon and you might as well lay siege to Rome

If my memory serves me correctly, Taliban was helped into creation by those same pesky American republicans to defeat the communists. Or something along those lines ...

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Originally posted by Magnetonium If my memory serves me correctly, Taliban was helped into creation by those same pesky American republicans to defeat the communists. Or something along those lines ...

the US armed the muhajadeen (sp?) against a soviet invasion. so from a certain point of view they were championing the rights of an invaded people.

these kinds of arguments are irrelevant because times, politics & policies change. oooh, we fought against germany during the war. should we be consistent and not count them as an ally now? of course not. you make friends with whom you must in a world of lesser evils.

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Also when it comes to foreign policy. It is best to not hold a grudge. At least not the government.

Besides, think of this the American government way. If we allow the Taliban to have a its own party. Than they will have a say as the way things are run. And not only that, but at the same time expose Afghanis to American corporations and TV. Than you will have the chance to corrupt a party and make them more friendly towards you.