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MisterOpus1
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Registered: Dec 2001
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Is the 9/11 Commission a Sack of Doodoo?

More catchy title? Okay, let's try again:

Because I really cannot fathom how it could be anything else. Anyone else follow this story about the Tenet Rice meeting revealed in Woodward's new book? Here's the gyst:

First was revealed that Rice was given an urgent meeting by Tenet and his counterterrorism guru on July 10th, 2001:

quote:
They went over top-secret intelligence pointing to an impending attack and “sounded the loudest warning” to the White House of a likely attack on the U.S. by Bin Laden.

Woodward writes that Rice was polite, but, “They felt the brushoff.”

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/st...9p-384345c.html


Pretty significant, especially when it was NOT reported in the 9/11 Commission Report. So Rice then makes the all-too-popular "I cannot recall" denial of the meeting ever taking place:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15102882/

And then things get wierd. Someone in this Administration turned on her, demonstrating that the records DID, in fact, show a meeting occurred between these 3 characters:

quote:
A review of White House records has determined that George J. Tenet, then the director of central intelligence, did brief Condoleezza Rice and other top officials on July 10, 2001, about the looming threat from Al Qaeda, a State Department spokesman said Monday.

The account by Sean McCormack came hours after Ms. Rice, the secretary of state, told reporters aboard her airplane that she did not recall the specific meeting on July 10, 2001, noting that she had met repeatedly with Mr. Tenet that summer about terrorist threats. Ms. Rice, the national security adviser at the time, said it was “incomprehensible” she ignored dire terrorist threats two months before the Sept. 11 attacks.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/02/w...page&oref=login


Flash back a day and you have a fierce denial by the 9/11 Commission of ever being told of the meeting, smelling somewhat of a cover-up by this Administration:

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Members of the Sept. 11 commission said today that they were alarmed that they were told nothing about a White House meeting in July 2001 at which George J. Tenet, then the director of central intelligence, is reported to have warned Condoleezza Rice, then the national security adviser, about an imminent Al Qaeda attack and failed to persuade her to take action.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/01/w...gin&oref=slogin

But strangely, the very next paragraph to the former story I linked has this to say:

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Mr. McCormack also said records show that the Sept. 11 commission was informed about the meeting, a fact that former intelligence officials and members of the commission confirmed on Monday.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/02/w...page&oref=login


Also confirmed here:

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Nor is it clear why the 9/11 commission never reported the briefing, which the intelligence officials said Tenet outlined to commission members Ben-Veniste and Zelikow in secret testimony at CIA headquarters. The State Department confirmed that the briefing materials were "made available to the 9/11 Commission, and Director Tenet was asked about this meeting when interviewed by the 9/11 Commission."

The three former senior intelligence officials, however, said Tenet raised the matter with the panel himself, displayed slides from the PowerPoint presentation and offered to testify on the matter in public.

Ben-Veniste confirmed to McClatchy Newspapers that Tenet outlined for the 9/11 commission the July 10 briefing to Rice in secret testimony in January 2004. He referred questions about why the commission omitted any mention of the briefing in its report to Zelikow, the report's main author. Zelikow didn't respond to e-mail and telephone queries from McClatchy Newspapers.

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/merc...cs/15663391.htm


So it really does beg the question: WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON HERE?

Who is lying about what, and why in God's name was this meeting scrubbed by apparently EVERYONE including the 9/11 Commission? And keep in mind, Ben-Viniste is a Democrat, so this goes way beyond partisanship bullshit now. What the hell, here folks?


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pkcRAISTLIN
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i dont think one particular anomaly in a massive investigation could be extrapolated to denounce the report in its entirety. like i posted before, government incompetence is hardly anything new.

my father used to sit on these sorts of panels. being grilled by the out-of-government party. government officials and public servants miss/ignore things all the time.

but yeah, occ had a nice post in your other thread which points out that if this commission was really trying to avoid GOP blame then they were doing a fairly poor job of it.

my summary: governments & their staff spend half their waking hours avoiding blame for things.


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tathi
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quote:
Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
my summary: governments & their staff spend half their waking hours avoiding blame for things.

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occrider
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I don't get it, why did this replace the other thread?


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pkcRAISTLIN
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quote:
Originally posted by occrider
I don't get it, why did this replace the other thread?


well, some 9/11 conspiracy nuts hijacked it & shat me so i yelled abuse at them for about 3 pages. my bad.


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josh4
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quote:
Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
well, some 9/11 conspiracy nuts hijacked it & shat me so i yelled abuse at them for about 3 pages. my bad.



yeah.. opus, if these threads are going to go anywhere of significance i think they need to contain more meaty opinion and argument on your part rather than open ended questions for the generally interested

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pkcRAISTLIN
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quote:
Originally posted by josh4
yeah.. opus, if these threads are going to go anywhere of significance i think they need to contain more meaty opinion and argument on your part rather than open ended questions for the generally interested


it was pretty straight forward. opus is arguing the commission did a pretty shit job of illustrating how useless the government really was during the 9ish months in power before 911.


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quote:
Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
it was pretty straight forward. opus is arguing the commission did a pretty shit job of illustrating how useless the government really was during the 9ish months in power before 911.


...which of course was running just ducky before those 9 months right?


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pkcRAISTLIN
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quote:
Originally posted by Fir3start3r
...which of course was running just ducky before those 9 months right?


hey, as bill himself has said- at least he fucking tried.


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josh4
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quote:
Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
it was pretty straight forward. opus is arguing the commission did a pretty shit job of illustrating how useless the government really was during the 9ish months in power before 911.

yeah i suppose it'd be nice if some people didn't egg-on the kids so topics like this could be combined into whole threads and have room to evolve in their intended direction

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shaolin_Z
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Another 9-11 Commission omission: Cheneys stand down orders


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