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Michael, do you know what phrases are and what proper phrasing is when mixing? Not to be a prick just seems you're a beginner and you might not know these things. We're glad to help.

Basically whenever you mix you want to have your mixes coincide with the phrases of the songs you're playing. There are a bunch of phrases in a song you don't always have to use the intro/outro to mix.

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Originally posted by Zild Michael, do you know what phrases are and what proper phrasing is when mixing? Not to be a prick just seems you're a beginner and you might not know these things. We're glad to help. Basically whenever you mix you want to have your mixes coincide with the phrases of the songs you're playing. There are a bunch of phrases in a song you don't always have to use the intro/outro to mix.

No Zild, I don't. I know the different spots in a song where something will change, but I don't really know the proper phrases. I usally start my track off at the first kick drum. I have been at this for about almost 3 years now and shamfully, thats how I have been doing it. I guess there is alot to learn, so yes, help is much appreciated.

Mike

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depending on your equipment you can use one cdj and have it go out to two channels so you can put an effect on one chanenl and have hteo ther one going.. i think tehy showed a video of that on AGIPRODJ if that is to any help to you

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Originally posted by stan229 depending on your equipment you can use one cdj and have it go out to two channels so you can put an effect on one chanenl and have hteo ther one going.. i think tehy showed a video of that on AGIPRODJ if that is to any help to you

I've seen that video, and those pricks at AGI need to be shot - they are fucking retards.

Ooooooh - look, same song on two channels.

So what!?!?

Jarv

What I was really getting at is how to take the 2 tracks and build it up properly. I know there is a way to do this cause I have heard it on alot of mixes. But like Zild said it goes with knowing the different phrases, I guess, and I would assume it is just knowing your tracks well, and like SPAWNmaster said, being creative. I was just trying to see the different ways some of you guys do it.

Mike

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Originally posted by Jarvmeister I've seen that video, and those pricks at AGI need to be shot - they are fucking retards. Ooooooh - look, same song on two channels. So what!?!? Jarv

Why do you manually type out 'Jarv' every time? Wouldn't it be easier to just make it your sig?

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Originally posted by Audigy7 Why do you manually type out 'Jarv' every time? Wouldn't it be easier to just make it your sig?

And more importantly, why not stop being an unecessary asshole to those guys at AGI. They give the best deals anywhere and are personally available pretty much anytime to help out via phone or email.

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Originally posted by Michael May No Zild, I don't. I know the different spots in a song where something will change, but I don't really know the proper phrases. I usally start my track off at the first kick drum. I have been at this for about almost 3 years now and shamfully, thats how I have been doing it. I guess there is alot to learn, so yes, help is much appreciated. Mike

No shame in it man. Well here it goes I'm going to give you a little mini tutorial in phrasing. I wish it could be better but I'm not so good. I'll do my best.

The way that the music we play is structured is in multiples of four because it is in 4/4 time. That basically means four beats per measure. You hear four bass drums per measure. So anyway most producers when making a song will break their music up into 'phrases'. That means that they will have a group of measures which are multiples of four beats put together so that they sound well. And at the beginning of the next phrase they will introduce new elements into the song be it a new synth line or some pads or sound effects. This will usually be signaled in the precussion of a song by an extra beat from a snare drum or a bass drum or a cymbal crash ect...

Basically if you take any song and start counting along with the first bass drum hit going 1,2,3,4, etc... with the pulsing of the bass drum you will find that elements come in and out of the song you're listening to on a fairly regular basis which is based around a multiple of four the most common being eight bar and sixteen bar phrases which corresponds to 32 and 64 beats of the bass drum respectively.

What I'm getting at with all of this is that when you go to cue a song always make sure that you try to match the phrases.

Hopefully we can get someone else in here to help you out as I'm not that good at explaining things.

Let us know if you need any help.

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depends on the tunes, there are no rules.. have fun!

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Originally posted by Zild No shame in it man. Well here it goes I'm going to give you a little mini tutorial in phrasing. I wish it could be better but I'm not so good. I'll do my best. The way that the music we play is structured is in multiples of four because it is in 4/4 time. That basically means four beats per measure. You hear four bass drums per measure. So anyway most producers when making a song will break their music up into 'phrases'. That means that they will have a group of measures which are multiples of four beats put together so that they sound well. And at the beginning of the next phrase they will introduce new elements into the song be it a new synth line or some pads or sound effects. This will usually be signaled in the precussion of a song by an extra beat from a snare drum or a bass drum or a cymbal crash ect... Basically if you take any song and start counting along with the first bass drum hit going 1,2,3,4, etc... with the pulsing of the bass drum you will find that elements come in and out of the song you're listening to on a fairly regular basis which is based around a multiple of four the most common being eight bar and sixteen bar phrases which corresponds to 32 and 64 beats of the bass drum respectively. What I'm getting at with all of this is that when you go to cue a song always make sure that you try to match the phrases. Hopefully we can get someone else in here to help you out as I'm not that good at explaining things. Let us know if you need any help.

Thanks alot bro. I really do need help on this if I am going to advance. So, I took a track and counted along with it thru the whole thing and here is what I came up with. If I am wrong with something please let me know so I can correct it and learn from it. The name of the track is Your Loving Arms- Menno De Jong Durban 06' Mix:

The 4's stand for the number of kicks that were played in the track:

4444-4444-4444-4444-Mini Melody-4444-4444-4444-Main Melody-4444-4444-4444-4444-4444-Outro.
So there are 192 kick drums in the whole song. So that would mean there are 48 measures in the song. But what about the melody parts where there are no kick drums? ( I don't think I am using the right termonlogy when I say melody, maybe someone could help me and let me know what that part of the song is called, Thakns!) So, as long as you cued up at the beginning of one of these measures you could mix it properly?

Mike

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