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MisterOpus1
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WFT? Faux News paid terrorists $2 million for release of Faux reporters?

You've got to be fucking kidding me:

quote:
Palestinian terror groups and security organizations in the Gaza Strip received $2 million from a United States source in exchange for the release of Fox News employees Steve Centanni and Olag Wiig, who were kidnapped here last summer, a senior leader of one of the groups suspected of the abductions told WND.

The terror leader, from the Gaza-based Popular Resistance Committees, said his organization's share of the money was used to purchase weapons, which he said would be utilized "to hit the Zionists."

He said he expects the payments for Centanni and Wiig's freedom will encourage Palestinian groups to carry out further kidnappings.

Officials associated with Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas' Fatah party and its security organization, the Preventative Security Services, confirmed to WND money was paid for the release of the Fox News reporters.... the money was used to purchase weapons.

"We used 100 percent of the money for one precise goal – our war against the Zionists," the Committees leader said.

He said weapons purchased included rockets.

"Regarding the others (the Dugmash clan of the Committees) who received the money, I can tell you one thing is very clear – this went also to be used against the Zionists. I can't say every cent went to buy bombs, maybe it also went to pay for salaries, smuggling, buying shelter."....

A spokeswoman for Fox News Channel told WND she could not provide an official statement about whether Fox was aware of money paid to free its two employees.

A source at Fox told WND many parties were involved with the freedom of Centanni and Wiig, including the U.S. government, and that it was possible money was paid.

http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52960


Not that I think World Net Daily has a helluva lot of credibility, but they are about as pro-Israel as anyone I've ever seen so I don't think they give a shit who is against their viewpoints here.

And let's keep in mind something else here - if memory serves (and granted my memory does suck), didn't this Administration have a heavy hand in the negotiation process to get these Faux reporters outa there?

Iran-Contra anyone? After all, it's not like Bush doesn't have a heapin' hand of Iran-Contra boys in his office anyway - they sure as fuck know how to negotiate with terrorists underneath the fucking table.

In other news a leaked internal Faux News memo today stated the following (of all ironies):

quote:
"Be On The Lookout For Any Statements From The Iraqi Insurgents...Thrilled At The Prospect Of A Dem Controlled Congress."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2006/...o-_n_34128.html


Aren't those Faux boys just so darn lovely? Oh Rupert! Be still my beating heart!


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Actually, I heard about this soon after their release. http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter...t_us_secre.html
quote:
Report: U.S. Secretly Negotiated with Gaza Kidnappers

August 29, 2006 3:14 PM

Hoda Osman Reports:

The U.S. secretly agreed to the "real demands" set by the group behind the August 14 kidnapping of two Fox News journalists in Gaza, according to a report in the pan-Arab newspaper al Hayat.

The paper quotes "informed sources close to the mediations" as saying that the U.S. secretly negotiated with the group through leaders of "the Palestinian popular resistance committees."

Last week, the previously unknown group calling itself "The Holy Jihad Brigades" issued a statement demanding the release of all Muslims held in U.S. prisons in return for the release of the two journalists. In fact, the paper reports that the public demand was not serious and that the group's "real demands" were that the U.S. press Israel to reopen the Rafah border crossing between Egypt and Palestine and cease the shelling of "Palestinian activists'" residences.

According to the report, the mediators contacted a representative of a European country who in turn contacted U.S. and British diplomats. The paper's sources said in the report that members of a senior FBI delegation, who had arrived in the area a few days earlier, were also involved in the negotiations.

The announcement that the two journalists had converted to Islam as a reason for their release was only a camouflage to conceal the fact that the U.S. had agreed to the hostage-takers' demands, according to the sources cited in the article. A few days ago the Rafah crossing was reopened for a few hours daily, and the Israeli forces stopped shelling residences of activists in the past few days, noted the paper's sources.

When asked for a response by ABCNews.com, a State Department spokesperson refused to comment on the report in al Hayat. The department's stated policy has been that the United States does not negotiate with terrorists.

On a similar note, we're not the only ones doing it
quote:
How $45m secretly bought freedom of foreign hostages
By Daniel McGrory

Documents seen by The Times show three countries paid ransoms in spite of denying it in public

FRANCE, Italy and Germany sanctioned the payment of $45 million in deals to free nine hostages abducted in Iraq, according to documents seen by The Times.
All three governments have publicly denied paying ransom money. But according to the documents, held by security officials in Baghdad who have played a crucial role in hostage negotiations, sums from $2.5 million to $10 million per person have been paid over the past 21 months. Among those said to have received cash ransoms was the gang responsible for seizing British hostages including Kenneth Bigley, the murdered Liverpool engineer.



The list of payments has also been seen by Western diplomats, who are angered at the behaviour of the three governments, arguing that it encourages organised crime gangs to grab more foreign captives.

“In theory we stand together in not rewarding kidnappers, but in practice it seems some administrations have parted with cash and so it puts other foreign nationals at risk from gangs who are confident that some governments do pay,” one senior envoy in the Iraqi capital said.

More than 250 foreigners have been abducted since the US-led invasion in 2003. At least 44 have been killed; 135 were released, three escaped, six were rescued and the fate of the others remains unknown.

A number of other governments, including those of Turkey, Romania, Sweden and Jordan, are said to have paid for their hostages to be freed, as have some US companies with lucrative reconstruction contracts in Iraq. At least four businessmen with dual US and Iraqi nationality have been returned, allegedly in exchange for payments by their employers. This money is often disguised as “ expenses” paid to trusted go-betweens for costs that they claim to incur.

The release this month of Rene Braunlich and Thomas Nitzschke, two German engineers, for a reported $5 million payment prompted senior Iraqi security officials to seek talks with leading Western diplomats in the capital on how to handle hostage release.

When the men returned home, Alaa al-Hashimi, the Iraqi Ambassador to Germany, revealed that the German Government handed over “a large amount” to free the pair after 99 days in captivity. The kidnappers are understood to have asked for $10 million.

Liam Fox, the Shadow Defence Secretary, called last night for an immediate end to the practice. “The idea that Western governments would have paid ransoms is extremely disturbing,” he said. “It is essential that governments never give in to blackmail from terrorists or criminals if security is ever to be maintained.”

Michael Moore, a Liberal Democrat foreign affairs spokesman, said: “These governments have created a kidnappers’ charter. Everyone from outside Iraq working in the country becomes more vulnerable as a result.”

Police say that about 30 people a day are abducted in Baghdad. Most Iraqis taken are returned once their families pay a ransom. An Iraqi counter-terrorism official, who asked not to be named, said that local experts are usually excluded from negotiations involving Westerners. He said: “Too often governments and their military keep secrets from each other , and certainly from us, and do what they want including paying out millions, no matter what their stated policy on ransoms.”

Western diplomats claim that the reason for their secrecy is the suspicion that some in the Iraqi security apparatus are too closely associated with militias and some of the criminal gangs to be trusted.

The family of Bayan Solagh Jabr, who was Interior Minister until the announcement on Saturday of a provisional government, was among the victims of the kidnap gangs when his sister, Eman, was abducted in January. She is said to have been freed a fortnight later after a ransom was agreed. Mr Jabr is now Finance Minister.

The mutual distrust is hindering efforts to wage an effective war against the underworld gangs responsible for most of the abuctions of Westerners, the Baghdad official said.

At least two crime gangs are alleged to have sold on some of their foreign captives to militant groups who use the hostages for propaganda purposes rather than obtaining ransoms.

Britain has never paid to free its citizens, despite pressure from the employees of some hostages, but is understood to have paid intermediaries “expenses” for their efforts to make contact with the kidnappers.

British officials have been criticised for giving the kidnappers of the peace activist Norman Kember time to escape to avoid the risk of a gun battle with Special Forces troops sent to rescue him and his two fellow captives from a house in central Baghdad in March.

Only when Jill Carroll, an American journalist, was freed eight days later did intelligence experts discover that she had been held by the same notorious crime family, who were working with Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the wanted al-Qaeda leader in Iraq. That revelation infuriated US officials in Baghdad, who had let Britain take the lead in tracing and freeing Professor Kember, 74, and his two Canadian colleagues.

FBI agents are investigating claims that this gang sold some of its hostages, including American contractors and aid workers, to militant Islamic groups. The gang is reported to have had a hand in organising the abduction of three British hostages, Margaret Hassan, Mr Bigley and Professor Kember, and three Italian journalists.

Figures involved in secret talks to resolve hostage cases told The Times that Mrs Hassan, an aid worker who had converted to Islam and taken Iraqi citizenship, was murdered soon after Tony Blair made it clear in a television broadcast seen on an Arab satellite channel that the Government would not pay a ransom. Wealthy benefactors had signalled their readiness to pay for her release.

A key figure in brokering some of the deals has been Sheikh Abdel Salam al-Qubaisi, a militant Sunni cleric and senior figure in the Association of Muslim Scholars. Professor Kember and his party had just visited the group when he was abducted last November.

WHAT THEY SAID

FRANCE

When Florence Aubenas was freed in June 2005 a government spokesman, Jean-François Cope, said: “There was absolutely no demand for money. No ransom was paid”
ITALY

On January 30 this year Gianfranco Fini, then Italian Foreign Minister, denied that Italy paid between $6m and S10m to free Giuliana Sgrena. “Italy did not pay any ransom to obtain the freedom of Giuliana Sgrena in Iraq or any other hostage. There is never a quid pro quo”
GERMANY


Frank Walter Steinmeier, the German Foreign Minister, was asked if paying a ransom for Susanne Osthoff had compromised the security of other German hostages. He replied: “The problem is not ransom payments, but the reporting of them.” That was seen in Germany as indirect confirmation that ransoms were paid

WHAT THEY PAID

FRANCE $25 million

Florence Aubenas: held for 157 days, freed June 2005. Ransom $10 million
Christian Chesnot and Georges Malbrunot: freed December 2004. Ransom $15 million
ITALY $11 million

Giuliana Segrena: taken February 2005, freed March 2005. Ransom $6 million
Simona Pari and Simona Torretta: taken September 2004, freed 20 days later. Ransom $5 million.
GERMANY $8 million

Susanne Ostloff: taken November 25, 2005, and freed three weeks later. Ransom $3 million

Rene Braunlich and Thomas Nitzschke: taken January 24, 2006, and freed on May 2. Ransom $5 million.
BRITAIN No ransom paid

Kenneth Bigley: taken September 16, 2004; seen being beheaded on video released on November 16

Margaret Hassan: abducted October 19, 2004; murdered on November 16
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/articl...2191229,00.html


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$2 million is a hell lot of money, I can live my whole life on the intrest money i would get from bank on 2 million USD.. i mean good life; travelling and dining and shit..


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Republicans look out for other Republicans. Faux wouldn't have done it for CNN. We are not suppose to be surprised by this and we are neither suppose to make an issue of it

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Republicans look out for other Republicans. Faux wouldn't have done it for CNN. We are not suppose to be surprised by this and we are neither suppose to make an issue of it

Yeah, unfortunately, that's just as short-sighted as all of their other policies. They should realize that paying off terrorists only helps to encourage more kidnappings.

That and they, along with the other countries listed, just funded terrorism. You can buy a lot of AK-47s and materials for bombs/IEDs with just the $2 million for these guys, plus the $45 million for the people from other countries. Definitely more than enough needed to kill two more different Americans/French/Germans/Italians.


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Not negotiating with terrorists got people like Daniel pearl murdered.


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quote:
Originally posted by Marc Summers
Not negotiating with terrorists got people like Daniel pearl murdered.

Did you even read what i wrote right above you?


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Yea, I suppose they should have just let them die...

Or maybe, if the reporters negotiated taking pictures of them killing coalition soldiers, they'd be freed.

hell, they might even win the Pulitzer!

/sarcasm


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Yea, I suppose they should have just let them die...

Or maybe, if the reporters negotiated taking pictures of them killing coalition soldiers, they'd be freed.

hell, they might even win the Pulitzer!

/sarcasm


Wow, I had no idea that a Bush supporter like yourself would do so much for two lives as to negotiate with terrorists, let alone fund them more $ to above all else - KILL MORE FUCKING INNOCENT PEOPLE.

Ummm, all I can say is wow to such insightful thinking. So when Bush said:

"You're either with us, or against us."

There was a hidden clause in there that said:

"You're either with us, or against us but sometimes you're not always against us and we'll even help you out financially so you can fucking blow the limbs off that baby with your bombs tomorrow .

Got it.

And when was it ever our Administration's policy to agree to and abet negotiating with terrorists?


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Maybe it was fake money like in the movies.

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