Seriously guys, i have seen first hand what this is doing to the music industry now that i am more deeply involved with it. Illegal downloading is killing the industry more than you would think. Sales are down 75% and it's affecting the artists more than the labels. It's even preventing many good artists from producing an album.

Did you know that an average album takes a MINIMUM of $100,000 to produce?

Did you know that a record deal means that the label loans you the cash and that you have to pay them back in full before you make a dime on your sales?

Neither did i until i got involved with this!

So please, download from the various sites that offer pay services. You can get them for as little as 99 cents - 1.99 at various places. Its not much.The only thing i condone on the free download sites are mix sets such as radio shows or club sets that arent for sale to the general public.

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

I haven't illegally downloaded anything in almost 3 years now.



edit: Sorry, almost 4 years.

I've been preaching this for years.

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Yes you are absolutly right Jay. Illegal downloading of albums and singles and stuff is something that has been hurting not only the EDM industry but the music industry in general. If you like it please go and buy it. Support those that support you.

It is one thing to download the sample of an album or maybe even a full album just to see if you like it but downloading it because it is a freebie and you dont wanna spend the cash is totally different. If these artists stop making the music just imagine what impact it will have on the industry.

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Let's bring the change!!!

Here is the way I see it.

As a poor friggin student that’s in debt, I don’t have money to throw away on every CD I want. So I download most of them, and buy the ones that I absolutely, positively, cannot be without.

Once I’m done with my academic career, then I’ll have the spare money. Until then, going to concerts and events, are supporting enough in my opinion.

plus, exposure of any kind is good

jayx you're recording an album?

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Originally posted by evil_cookie Here is the way I see it. As a poor friggin student that’s in debt, I don’t have money to throw away on every CD I want. So I download most of them, and buy the ones that I absolutely, positively, cannot be without. Once I’m done with my academic career, then I’ll have the spare money. Until then, going to concerts and events, are supporting enough in my opinion. plus, exposure of any kind is good

well when i was in school we didnt have downloading and i was able to get the music i wanted.

its only $1 or 2, its not much but it means so much.

Also without sales the numbers dont get into the soundscan charts which means that people are more reluctant to book the artist and record stores are more reluctant to stock the record. everything is sales driven including appearances.

No im not making an album but ive met a lot of bands and artists as well as record label people who have all told me the same story. Its hurting.

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Originally posted by jester Everything in this country is illegal.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery…" Winston Churchill

‎"If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law" - Winston Churchill

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Originally posted by TranceGrooves If you like it please go and buy it. Support those that support you.

I agree ... Just one thing ... how about writers?? what the hell did they do that people can go to a library and borrow the book read it for free and return it. Doesn't the writer miss out on his/her share of some coin?? Or is there something I am missing?

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Originally posted by jennypie I haven't illegally downloaded anything in almost 3 years now. edit: Sorry, almost 4 years.

why couldn't you just change the 3 to a 4?

Back on topic; I used to download lots of albums back in the day. I still do, but if I like the album then I go out and buy it. I've also stopped downloading tracks completely, and now buy them off Beatport.

The only thing I download is sets, which is okay as far as I know.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Seriously guys, i have seen first hand what this is doing to the music industry now that i am more deeply involved with it. Illegal downloading is killing the industry more than you would think. Sales are down 75% and it's affecting the artists more than the labels. It's even preventing many good artists from producing an album. Did you know that an average album takes a MINIMUM of $100,000 to produce? Did you know that a record deal means that the label loans you the cash and that you have to pay them back in full before you make a dime on your sales? Neither did i until i got involved with this! So please, download from the various sites that offer pay services. You can get them for as little as 99 cents - 1.99 at various places. Its not much.The only thing i condone on the free download sites are mix sets such as radio shows or club sets that arent for sale to the general public.

While I agree with you entirely that more people need to move to buying rather than relying on downloads in order to support the artists - it's important to note that many of the stats/figures here don't apply to electronic music as a whole (i.e. the $100,000 cost to produce an album).

However the electronic industry is at a much larger defecit than the maintstream industry (which may seem obvious) but consider the fact that many of the larger electronic labels have gone under or are holding off on releasing anywhere near as much as they used to. Compilations and the like for the most part in this industry are the major source of money for producers - and even those as of late have declined significantly in number.

In addition it's become pretty clear that more and more labels are becoming cheap with their artists (I'll leave out names). They don't stand by their agreements because they struggle to make ends meet and thus end up ripping off the artists who generally don't bother making a fuss because it's too much of a hassle (again, referring to the electronic industry). This obviously doesn't justify anything, but if both the labels and artists themselves aren't making enough to keep at it, then the problem will continue its growth in marginal spurts.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Also without sales the numbers dont get into the soundscan charts which means that people are more reluctant to book the artist and record stores are more reluctant to stock the record. everything is sales driven including appearances.

can it be the other way around? with viral marketing from music oriented websites like myspace, alot of underground artists have gotten greater exposure that they wouldn't have gotten otherwise in a traditional non-digital bricks+mortar scheme

the bottom line... if you're talented, and produce good music, ppl will find you. if you suck, then you won't make money.

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hello thar

I agree 100% that you need to support the artist, and my music collection reflects that.

What I do not buy are the sales stats that downloading is 100% responsible for the decline in sales. Yes this is the same old argument, but so is blaming downloaders for an already weak library of music.

Lets face it, music is not the same as it used to be. I spent $1000s in the 90's for quality music that I loved, and just could not live with out. Since about 1999, I have switched music genres, and the only reason my spending even comes close is because the CDs I know buy (EDM) are twice as expensive as mainstream CDs that I used to buy.

So yes, support the artist, but don't blame people for not paying for music when they do not think its worth it.