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LazFX
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Registered: Aug 2004
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Rasta Very Interesting Indeed..

Yeah, I know, this is out there, if one was to see it one sided, but I find this very interesting....very interesting indeed.
At least interesting enough to take a break from all the other types of debate on PDD.

Get on your tin foil hats people, if you never heard of this,,,,, cause it made me pause and think "What If?"
well at least for a few mins....


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The Battle of Los Angeles

Picture from the Los Angeles TimesIn early 1942 the United States was still reeling from the Attack on Pearl Harbor. They'd declared war upon the Empire of Japan, but had thus far fought unsuccessfully in every engagement. The West Coast was wary, and prepared for a seemingly inevitable invasion. Cities from Seattle to San Diego had invasion plans including things from air-raid sirens to blackout procedures. Nerves were drawn taut, and there was no shortage of false alarms.

On the night of 24 February 1942 the Air Raid sirens sounded, and the Coast Guard Anti-aircraft guns were ordered to "green alert," putting them in readiness to fire. From the time the battle began until it ended in the early hours of the morning, thousands of people had witnessed the search lights around Los Angeles fix on a target hovering above the city, and anti-aircraft rounds detonate in the sky. Reputable news agencies reported the attack, complete with eye-witness accounts. But the Japanese claim that they never attacked, and there was no wreckage to indicate that anyone actually did. These conflicting accounts cast uncertainty on the nature of the unidentified aircraft that caused the Battle of Los Angeles.

The first sightings of the incoming aircraft came from the Coast Guard shortly after 11:00 PM. Because commercial and private aircraft were fairly common, the Civil Defense Service reacted cautiously to the initial sighting. As reports of the incoming plane–or sometimes fleet–continued and progressed nearer to land, artillery posts were put on alert. By the time they started getting reports of an overhead object from people inland, things were put into action, and the Air Raid Wardens were called in to put the city into blackout. Thousands of volunteer Air Raid Wardens began calling the homes of people in their areas, and ordering them to douse the lights; in so doing they incited people to go out and seek the object that was crawling slowly through the sky.

Some witness accounts describe the interloper above the city as a tremendous single object, while others stated that it was a dispersed group of smaller objects. Many people reported to the papers that they were certain they'd seen US planes approach the object before the shelling began, however the army reported that 4th Interceptor Command was only on alert, and no planes were ever launched. Spotlights lit the skies and illuminated an object moving slowly–sometimes hovering.

At 3:16 AM the 37th Coast Guard Artillery Brigade opened fire while the target was over Culver City. With the city lights all snuffed for the blackout, the barrage of AA shells was the center of attention. The firing continued intermittently through the night until the blackout lifted at 7:21 AM.

The morning papers were filled with details of the incident. Some reported that two Japanese airplanes had been shot down, but such wreckage was never found. Some buildings had been damaged by shells, and there were six casualties– all of them were on the ground. There were three killed by friendly fire and three more of stress induced by the attack. The Los Angeles Times ran a front page picture depicting the object caught in the search lights; it is uncertain if this picture is an actual photograph or an artist's depiction because of the lack of clarity, i.e. the fact the search lights terminate on the object rather than cast streams past.

The Secretary of the Navy, Frank Knox, immediately denounced accounts of the affair, calling it a false alarm brought about by "war nerves". Since the battle many have proposed that the mysterious object that was seen moving over Santa Monica to Long Beach was a weather balloon, or perhaps an early Japanese Fire Balloon. However to suggest that the Coast Guard commenced firing at a balloon for over an hour implies a degree of incompetence, to say the least.

There are others who have a less pedestrian explanation for that night: that it was a mass Close Encounter of the First Kind. Some stories have circulated that two downed aircraft were found: one in the sea, and one in the San Bernardino mountains, and that they were of obvious extra-terrestrial origin.

The variation in personal accounts contribute little to the solving of this mystery. Some saw one large object in the sky, some saw many smaller objects. Reports on the object's altitude ranged significantly. However, it seems certain that there was something in the sky that night because despite the disparity in the reports, the fact that there were tens of thousands of witnesses make the existence of the object over LA that night impossible to dismiss.
SOURCE


Related reading:


Wikipedia entry

Eyewitness account, and analysis of picture. (slant toward otherworldly sight-seers)

San Francisco Museum Article (slant toward military incompetence)

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Lilith
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Well, they did visit LA...
Sure, you've flown billions of light years to come and say hello, bringing peace, happiness and whatever, but that just means youre an 'exotic target' in LA doesnt it?

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DJ Shibby
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The Japanese were known to float balloons containing bombshells over our way...

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LazFX
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quote:
Originally posted by DJ Shibby
The Japanese were known to float balloons containing bombshells over our way...


you know, I was thinking the same thing, ....


quote:
At the end of the war, the Japanese stated that they did not send planes over the area at the time of this alert, although submarine-launched aircraft were subsequently used over Seattle. A careful study of the evidence suggests that meteorological balloons—known to have been released over Los Angeles —may well have caused the initial alarm. This theory is supported by the fact that anti-aircraft artillery units were officially criticized for having wasted ammunition on targets which moved too slowly to have been airplanes. After the firing started, careful observation was difficult because of drifting smoke from shell bursts. The acting commander of the anti-aircraft artillery brigade in the area testified that he had first been convinced that he had seen fifteen planes in the air, but had quickly decided that he was seeing smoke. Competent correspondents like Ernie Pyle and Bill Henry witnessed the shooting and wrote that they were never able to make out an airplane. It is hard to see, in any event, what enemy purpose would have been served by an attack in which no bombs were dropped, unless perhaps, as Mr. Stimson suggested, the purpose had been reconnaissance.

Source from SF Museum

like I said, it is pretty interesting..... but more than likely just balloooooons .

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Q5echo
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Registered: Feb 2004
Location: Dallas

could ya blame them, really? look what the Japs had to deal with

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pkcRAISTLIN
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i just cant imagine a species capable of traversing the galaxy being shot down by 1940s AA fire or flak
theyre at tier 4 people, we're still at tier 1. any gamer knows tier 1 units dont take out tier 4

haha! @ q5.


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LazFX
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quote:
Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
i just cant imagine a species capable of traversing the galaxy being shot down by 1940s AA fire or flak
theyre at tier 4 people, we're still at tier 1. any gamer knows tier 1 units dont take out tier 4



ha ha

I have to admit I was all into the UFO thing back in the day, still am in a ways but not too the extreme that I will argue with others about it. I just was fascinated by this cause I saw this so called new video about UFOs and they animated this whole event and it was frigging sweet. With out Will Smith saving the day. ha ha

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shaolin_Z
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Registered: Nov 2004
Location: Austin, Texas, USA: TXTA #102

quote:
Originally posted by Lilith
Well, they did visit LA...
Sure, you've flown billions of light years to come and say hello, bringing peace, happiness and whatever, but that just means youre an 'exotic target' in LA doesnt it?


I guess the Greys like sunny weather, polution, and superficial people.


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