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Originally posted by Yoepus I dutifully await Occrider's review of this document!

lazy bastard

We want a condensed, Reader Digest version with executive summary!

wonder how short that is?

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i'm watching Larry King [aka The Man] and dusty nuts, whatever his old name is (not Baker) says, "we wanted to draft something thats achievable"?

wtf is that?

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Originally posted by Yoepus I dutifully await Occrider's review of this document!

Heh ... no. Reminds of a work project I was just offered. I was offered a fairly demanding job by someone of influence in my company and assuming I was successful, I would be offered a guaranteed promotion. Long story short, I rejected the offer because I knew the project was destined for disaster no matter how much effort I put into it. In other words, I want nothing to do with the ISG.

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Why hasnt been that much talk about this report? While others do respond to other stupid threads

Well.. To begin this is nothing new to Bush, this report didnt open, enlighten or teach anything new to the current Bush admin. These proposals had been thought through from our DoD.

Bush in my opinion, expected something different from this report. What I think, is that Bush wanted to leave these recommendations as a last resort to have a new approach to Iraq and Intl policy in the Middle East. Clearly, sitting down with Syria and Iran makes the Bush admin uncomfortable because of the role they are playing with many militias, with their sponsoring and support. Clearly this is one of the biggest obstacles that our DoD has faced since WWII.

If we take this approach recommended by the study group, to sit down with Syria and Iran, not only has the US be committed but also these nations need to show commitment to solve this crisis that Iraq is facing. Do you guys really think that this can be accomplished with Syria and Iran?

Plus, If the US wants Iran to fully positively collaborate the US must change their stance with the nuclear program Iran is initiating

Now these last two years Bush has to work on how he is going to go down in history. Now imo is to late in time to say "oops my bad we fucked up" clearly the invasion of Iraq was a military success but we never were fully prepared for an insurgency, or not at all.

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Originally posted by LatinLover Why hasnt been that much talk about this report? While others do respond to other stupid threads Well.. To begin this is nothing new to Bush, this report didnt open, enlighten or teach anything new to the current Bush admin. These proposals had been thought through from our DoD. Bush in my opinion, expected something different from this report. What I think, is that Bush wanted to leave these recommendations as a last resort to have a new approach to Iraq and Intl policy in the Middle East. Clearly, sitting down with Syria and Iran makes the Bush admin uncomfortable because of the role they are playing with many militias, with their sponsoring and support. Clearly this is one of the biggest obstacles that our DoD has faced since WWII. If we take this approach recommended by the study group, to sit down with Syria and Iran, not only has the US be committed but also these nations need to show commitment to solve this crisis that Iraq is facing. Do you guys really think that this can be accomplished with Syria and Iran? Plus, If the US wants Iran to fully positively collaborate the US must change their stance with the nuclear program Iran is initiating Now these last two years Bush has to work on how he is going to go down in history. Now imo is to late in time to say "oops my bad we fucked up" clearly the invasion of Iraq was a military success but we never were fully prepared for an insurgency, or not at all.

Beside Guantanamo & Abu Ghraib

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From Page 9 of the ISG report:

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The state of the Iraqi police is substantially worse than that of the Iraqi Army. The Iraqi Police Service currently numbers roughly 135,000 and is responsible for local policing. It has neither the training nor legal authority to conduct criminal investigations, nor the firepower to take on organized crime, insurgents, or militias.

Swell. Guess that's why the Iraqi PM feels this way about the U.S. training tactics:

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“What have they done so far in training the army and the police?” the president said during a news conference here. “What they have done is move from failure to failure.” http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/10/w...artner=homepage

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Got any suggestions or just more complaints?

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Originally posted by Shakka Got any suggestions or just more complaints?

Sure - A, B, and C all seem to increase the violence, increase our troop death toll, increase the Iraqi citizen death toll, and continue right towards a civil war.

Plan D which is what Baker tiptoed around a bit, what most on the Democratic side are saying and an increasing number of Republicans are starting to say is simple - get the fuck out. We can argue the tactics of this and it very well may be a worthwhile argument - when, how, what numbers stay and where they should be placed in redeployment, and so on.

At this point I see no viable other option. Even if we were to get Iran and Syria involved, what the fuck would they do for us? Iran's power on the Shiite majority is duly noted, but I doubt they want to intervene in this mess at present. Besides, the Shiites are the majority with greater numbers of people and greater influence. Iran has already won no matter the outcome.

I'd love to see nothing more than this fuck of a mess finally stabilize, but the reality of things speak much louder.

And finally, I might have a few other suggestions to make as well, but they're really quite irrelevant given who really owns this war, doesn't it? What suggestions does this Administration have? What suggestions do the Republicans (and yes, some of the dipshit Dems. who went along with it) have? It's your boy's mess. You guys got us into this shithole. Don't knock me or the anti-Iraq war folks for complaining - you guys wanted regime change. YOU wanted to invade Saddam and direct our attention away from al Qaeda and bin Laden. YOU guys convinced us all there were WMDs pointed at our heads and that we needed to do something about this "grave and gathering" and "imminent" danger. YOU Republicans and Bush supporters got us into this shit, now YOU help us get the fuck out.

Pretty please?

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