Become a part of the TranceAddict community!Frequently Asked Questions - Please read this if you haven'tSearch the forums
TranceAddict Forums > Main Forums > Chill Out Room > looks like a scene from a video game...
Pages (2): [1] 2 »   Last Thread   Next Thread
Share
Author
Thread    Post A Reply
Omega_M
Nostalgia



Registered: Jun 2005
Location: Ether
looks like a scene from a video game...

... but it is not !!

Apache gunner fires to kill. *This is pretty graphic*


___________________

Download and review ! Omega_M - In the Mix (Beta Version)

Originally posted by twilightki : It feels like something you'd listen to at 4 in the morning, or listen to in your car while you're going in a tunnel.

Old Post Dec-27-2006 03:34  India
Click Here to See the Profile for Omega_M Click here to Send Omega_M a Private Message Add Omega_M to your buddy list Report this Post Reply w/Quote Edit/Delete Message
enferno
Penus Maximus



Registered: Jan 2004
Location: jesus land

i want one!

Old Post Dec-27-2006 03:40 
Click Here to See the Profile for enferno Click here to Send enferno a Private Message Add enferno to your buddy list Report this Post Reply w/Quote Edit/Delete Message
Yan
fauxhawk



Registered: Jul 2003
Location: Wano

They seem to be doing their job.

Old Post Dec-27-2006 03:41 
Click Here to See the Profile for Yan Click here to Send Yan a Private Message Add Yan to your buddy list Report this Post Reply w/Quote Edit/Delete Message
Omega_M
Nostalgia



Registered: Jun 2005
Location: Ether

quote:
This video has caused a great deal of controversy. Originally shown on ABC TV, it was first shown as an object lesson as to what happens to Iraqi Insurgents who dare show weapons before US forces. However, as time goes on, doubt has begun to surface as to whether the people shown blown to pieces with the 30mm cannon on the Apache were really insurgents, or just harmless farmers.

This is what is known about the tape. It is from the thermographic camera system of an Apache attack helicopter. The image is of heat, not of light. The time of day appears to be midmorning, based on the time display seen on the heads-up display. Military time uses a 24 hour system, there is no "PM" in military clocks.

The vehicle at the far left of the video is a farm tractor, facing away. The engine is running as is evidenced by the hot vertical exhaust tupe and the glowing undercarriage seen in the thermal image. Attached to the rear of the tractor is a plough, and the dirt in the foreground shows clear furrows.

There is a longer version of the tape (which may not play on everyone's computers) that does show one individual taking a long object or objects from his car and taking it over to the vehicle at the far right. It is assumed by those who want to justify the shooting that this object is a missile launcher assembly being discarded. However, one cannot explain why someone who had just fired off an RPG at US troops would bother to put the used launcher into his car, only to them drive someplace else and then discard it. Nor does it make sense that the man would place a weapon over there it is likely to be run over by the tractor and plough, damaging both the weapon and the plough assembly as well. And, given that the man does not in any way point the object at the approaching helicopter, it is clear that at least he does not think it is a working weapon. Given that the object is actually longer than an RPG launcher assembly, three alternative explanations suggest themselves.

1. That the object is a bundle of long handled farm tools being taken over to where the farmers are working with the tractor.
2. That the object is a bundle of thin poles to be driven into the ground ahead of the tractor to give the tractor driver a visible guide to keep the furrows straight.
3. As suggested by a reader, that the object may be part of the plastic pipe irrigation system used in dry climate agriculture.

We can deduce several facts from the video.

From the perspective seen in the video, it is clear that the Apache helicopter is not being threatened. It is hovering, moving slowly forward, and not engaging in any evasive maneuvers which would suggest that the individuals on the ground have threatened the apache in any way.

From the body language of the individuals on the ground, it is clear that they themselves do not feel they are doing anything which should be of concern to a US helicopter hovering nearby. In other words, they do not act like the object thrown into the field near the tractor is anything the US helicopter would object to. No sooner has the man delivered the object to the tractor than he turns and walks back to the car. At no time does he (or anyone else) act like they are trying to escape the area until the Apache opens fire.

From The Geneva Convention 3-1: 1. Persons taking no active part in the hostilities, including members of armed forces who have laid down their arms and those placed hors de combat by sickness, wounds, detention, or any other cause, shall in all circumstances be treated humanely, without any adverse distinction founded on race, colour, religion or faith, sex, birth or wealth, or any other similar criteria

The very FIRST person gunned down was the person who had been driving the tractor. This video records a war crime.


Source


___________________

Download and review ! Omega_M - In the Mix (Beta Version)

Originally posted by twilightki : It feels like something you'd listen to at 4 in the morning, or listen to in your car while you're going in a tunnel.

Old Post Dec-27-2006 03:49  India
Click Here to See the Profile for Omega_M Click here to Send Omega_M a Private Message Add Omega_M to your buddy list Report this Post Reply w/Quote Edit/Delete Message
ASFSE
Supreme tranceaddict



Registered: Aug 2005
Location: the bay

um ok, that's f'd up...

i dont know if they are farmers or soldiers, but eiether way...

Old Post Dec-27-2006 03:58  United States
Click Here to See the Profile for ASFSE Click here to Send ASFSE a Private Message Add ASFSE to your buddy list Report this Post Reply w/Quote Edit/Delete Message
SebG
Supreme tranceaddict



Registered: Aug 2002
Location: Dirty Jersey

OLD

Fun to watch


___________________
http://www.soundcloud.com/sebaschn

Old Post Dec-27-2006 03:59  Poland
Click Here to See the Profile for SebG Click here to Send SebG a Private Message Visit SebG's homepage! Add SebG to your buddy list Report this Post Reply w/Quote Edit/Delete Message
SebG
Supreme tranceaddict



Registered: Aug 2002
Location: Dirty Jersey

quote:
Originally posted by Omega_M
Source


Yeah, im gonna read a source from INDY media.


___________________
http://www.soundcloud.com/sebaschn

Old Post Dec-27-2006 04:03  Poland
Click Here to See the Profile for SebG Click here to Send SebG a Private Message Visit SebG's homepage! Add SebG to your buddy list Report this Post Reply w/Quote Edit/Delete Message
Omega_M
Nostalgia



Registered: Jun 2005
Location: Ether

Interesting discussion on this forum. Clicky


___________________

Download and review ! Omega_M - In the Mix (Beta Version)

Originally posted by twilightki : It feels like something you'd listen to at 4 in the morning, or listen to in your car while you're going in a tunnel.

Old Post Dec-27-2006 05:12  India
Click Here to See the Profile for Omega_M Click here to Send Omega_M a Private Message Add Omega_M to your buddy list Report this Post Reply w/Quote Edit/Delete Message
denys envy
no scratch, no snatch...



Registered: Mar 2004
Location: falLAcy, CA

RIP

Old Post Dec-27-2006 05:28  Russia
Click Here to See the Profile for denys envy Click here to Send denys envy a Private Message Visit denys envy's homepage! Add denys envy to your buddy list Report this Post Reply w/Quote Edit/Delete Message
iammesol
Burnt out and grown up



Registered: Mar 2004
Location: Atlanta, USA

you realize this is like 10 years old right?

but yeah, pretty disturbing how easy it was.

Old Post Dec-27-2006 05:29  United States
Click Here to See the Profile for iammesol Click here to Send iammesol a Private Message Visit iammesol's homepage! Add iammesol to your buddy list Report this Post Reply w/Quote Edit/Delete Message
Orbital32
Revolution



Registered: Jul 2004
Location: LaTa #32°

wow. I feel like i'm living in 2003.

Old Post Dec-27-2006 06:13  United States
Click Here to See the Profile for Orbital32 Click here to Send Orbital32 a Private Message Visit Orbital32's homepage! Add Orbital32 to your buddy list Report this Post Reply w/Quote Edit/Delete Message
Sunsnail
Global Moderator



Registered: Sep 2004
Location:

quote:
Originally posted by ASFSE
um ok, that's f'd up...

i dont know if they are farmers or soldiers, but eiether way...


explain how its f'd up if they were soldiers stockpiling weapons.

Old Post Dec-27-2006 06:18 
Click Here to See the Profile for Sunsnail Click here to Send Sunsnail a Private Message Add Sunsnail to your buddy list Report this Post Reply w/Quote Edit/Delete Message

TranceAddict Forums > Main Forums > Chill Out Room > looks like a scene from a video game...
Post New Thread    Post A Reply

Pages (2): [1] 2 »  
Last Thread   Next Thread
Click here to listen to the sample!Pause playbackid help from james holden cacao club [2004] [0]

Click here to listen to the sample!Pause playbackEuphonic - Sahara (Equinox Mix) [2003]

Show Printable Version | Subscribe to this Thread
Forum Jump:

All times are GMT. The time now is 12:16.

Forum Rules:
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is ON
vB code is ON
[IMG] code is ON
 
Search this Thread:

 
Contact Us - return to tranceaddict

Powered by: Trance Music & vBulletin Forums
Copyright ©2000-2026, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Privacy Statement / DMCA
Support TA!