Living in Cape town South africa,there really isnt much to look fwd to by way of classy trance deejays when the weekend finally rolls around.OK..to be fair..hard trance is making a serious charge but the massive breaks and build ups i crave are nowwhere to be found..with the exception of my bedroom that is.So in terms of a trance education there is nothing..So I put the question to u north american and european experts :-).

Why do trance deejays continually look to change a sound that is so monstrously successful?? Everybody i see is craving the return of the epic stuff from 99...yet PVD,Tiesto and Ferry Corsten(to a lesser degree) have completely moved away from it..Is being different more important than giving a crowd what they want? Im not saying the music is bad,far from it..its just..take ferry corstens 'punk' for example.Its a tune that Im really getting into but is it trance and who wouldve imagined him producing this kind of stuff say a year ago?

To a degree,it seems the producers are all trying to create "the next big thing" and maybe (just my opinion) neglecting what makes this genre of music the all-conquering beast it is!

hummmmmmm

Except from PUSH then.....

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Best of the best:
Laurent Garnier - sambu

Your godly trance producers arent producing the next best thing, far from it actually, they are genre mixing, using tracks that would regularely be played by big name house and breakbeat dj's. And as far as "Punk" goes, if you like that track....then an essay will need to be written to answer your questions


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PSi

Music changes, it cant be stagnant.

About "that epic stuff from '99"... eventually, every song had a five minute breakdown in it, and trance was getting way too commercial (therefore formulaic and repetitive, with no innovation). So the sounds have to change. I like the new progressive stuff, but I still like epic, uplifting stuff more. Personally, I think that there is still enough good trance being made, so I'm happy. And I think PvD, Tiesto, Corsten etc. are still playing good music (but I think punk is a brutal, brutal, brutal song).

I totally understand what you mean.. if you listen to pvd live in innercity 2000 track after track.. you are blown away by how many times he can pick you up and reach a climax but when right you think your comming down.. bam.. you get hit with anohter.. after listening to his newer livesets.. its definitly more mellow.. I guess its what the crowd wants? i dont know i guess its a question to ask pvd, tiesto, or corsten.

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Originally posted by PSi they are genre mixing, using tracks that would regularely be played by big name house and breakbeat dj's.

You're totally right there PSi. Back in the good old days (EEK! I'm starting to sound like an old man!) it was relatively easy to pigeon hole a track by genre. These days it's becoming increasingly difficult to say "that's Trance" or "that's House." The lines between what genre a track actually is has become incredibly blurred. Here is an example. Take DJ Tiesto - Flight 643. Going by the formula of '98/'99 Trance then you couldn't call this a trance track, it doesn't have a extensively large breakdown and the main melody continues for about 70% of the track. However for all realistic purposes, this is a trance track.

The reason this is happening isn't with finding "the next big thing." Well I lie, with some less respectable DJ's who's names won't be mentioned it is, but in the main stay it's just an effort to fight becoming stale. Think about this, if every club in the country had classic '98/'99 trance spinning and nothing else, despite the fact that it would be really great at first, we'd soon tire of it and the classics would no longer be classics, they'd get over played and ruined. People naturally crave new material and something that's different.

Also, with the ‘98/’99 trance, producers were seeing what an impact these really euphoric/epic tracks were making and blatantly copying each other. Tunes were becoming formulaic; a large proportion of trance was no longer trance by feeling but trance by numbers. On top of this the money grabbing goons who run the commercial side of the music industry cashed in on the success of these tunes and it all became way too commercial, something that I feel we are still suffering from today.

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Well I think that the main reason why people are moving away from the more uplifting to the deeeper stuff in recent years has only got to be one- face it, trance has gone commercial. Of coz there're still white labels and bootleg remixes and generally underground productions to look forward to, but trance as a genre has become so popular and widespread that it'll eventually become a disease to spin trance track in track out. I think people like Oakenfold (breaks) and Tiesto (prog) have begun to realise this. Maybe this transition is all a part of trying to prolong their own DJ-ing lifespan; before the people get bored and worn out.
Or maybe it's just because that's just the way musicians behave. Even with pop shit (BackStreet Boys), you get people trying to move away from what they were originally known for.

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Trance is changing in some big ways. Just look at how many epic trance DJs have entered the world of felopian hardcore, and how many have gone down the cheesy path of rhetorical trance.

I think traditional genres such as Pelvic trance and Malicous techno will still be around for some time to come. DJ Sinister's razor sharp beats, wicked scratching and lethal synths have been absolute killers. His reign of "technics terror" as the media have dubbed it has kept the malicous techno world from going all commercial.

There will always be cheesy trance tunes. Take DJ Irresponsible's latest hit - "Drugs are cool (take loads of them kids)" - complete cheese. There will always be underground, too, DJ Oestrogen being a good example.

"Fucke - We Add the E" has already rightly been highlighted in another thread as an example of the musical fusion, which might be the next big thing?

HLDSHA003, you seem to be a bit of a bestial trance man yourself. Far from being a "beast" I see this music as more of a "sound", or a "collection of sounds" to be precise (but then I am a sonic techno man myself).

Check out:

DJ Plebiscite - Referendum
Paul van Driver - Speed Limit
DJ Lazy - Will this do?
DJ Acid vs MC Alkali - Neutrality

But for my money, there's not much at the moment that can top the best example's of DJ Boring's style of Bland Trance, espescially the classic "Zzzzz".


Regards,

EB

Noone agree?


EB

trance indeed has changed over the past few years... but I don't think it is all that bad... it made the genre more various then ever, which only can be a good thing because always the same thing would get boring in the end.

and don't say: back in the days when blablabla, because you would say that EVERY dj has left that path of trance.....but that is not true at all.... BIG dj's indeed spin different then back in '99, but some less bigger have not. I, as example, went to see misja helsloot a couple of weeks ago. and he just spun the pure sound of '99 trance, LOVELY!! but if every dj would still spin like that it would get boring, wouldn't it? therefor I am happy the music changes and keeps changing, cos it makes the genre more various and you get surprised every time! and you will always keep dj's who don't change, and that is a good thing too, because THEN you enjoy the 'older-which-could-get-boring-but-then-was-replaced-by-different' trance even MORE then before

but this is ofcourse my opinion...

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Hard = goed

awesome post evil_bastard!

As a rule, most trance DJs are getting bored of breakdown/buildup trance. There was a time (before 1998-99) when tracks existed without these hooks. Now that this sort of trance has been played to death, it's not surprising that producers have gone back to writing good solid songs without having to resort to a 5 minute breakdown/buildup.

Not that epic buildups suck or anything, but anything that is overused can get stale. Take for instance the current (or was that last year) trend of tribal beats in every progressive house tune...

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WTF? EvB is on drugs, I am sure he is having every1 on - Pelvic Trance and Paul van Driver? Not heard of em, if you wanna put a stream of there choonz up and enlighten me. Please do!

On to the subject of trance. I believe it is all to do with that Charles Dickens theory of evolution. Each thing in this world evolves eg. dodo's evolved so much they became extinct. Lets hope trance does not do the same, because I can see it evolving at a high speed and I am a bit weary about how fast its progression is. The big question is:

IS TRANCE EVOLVING INTO EXTINCTION OR AM I JUST TALKING CODSHIT TO STRANGERS?