I think people are freaking out too much over this.
As if he's got time to send money to some Nigerian Prince...

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^^ I think you'd make an obedient slave.

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r I think people are freaking out too much over this. As if he's got time to send money to some Nigerian Prince...

Yes because Bush has proven himself trustworthy to use these new powers responsibly. This coming from someone who previously posted "The Bill of Wrongs".

See, this is where amatuers like Nixon screwed up and had to get all crooked to get information out of their political opponents. Here, you just call someone and they run around and tap everything, open the mail at the depot and problem solved without having to bother with anything messy like a warrant.
Never mind the little people, chances of them coming into contact with or involving themselves in with overseas terrorists is so minimal that it's really not worth the effort to pass laws like this. Yes, sure theres a chance of an international muslim terrorist plot eventuating in the USA but frankly, I'd be more worried myself in the US of coming afoul of an Iranian ex-pat taxi driver in NY squashing me like bug.

Seriously though, having the population living in stress and fear of outside enemies like this isn't good and now youre just lumping and unhealthy dose of paranoia into the whole mix.
Sure, you could be blown up by a terrorist tommorrow, doesnt mean you should live your lives worried about a plane coming out of blue sky and blowing up your house.
Wandering around like that looking to the skies just means you'll get run over by something down here on the ground!

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Originally posted by Lilith Seriously though, having the population living in stress and fear of outside enemies like this isn't good and now youre just lumping and unhealthy dose of paranoia into the whole mix. Sure, you could be blown up by a terrorist tommorrow, doesnt mean you should live your lives worried about a plane coming out of blue sky and blowing up your house. Wandering around like that looking to the skies just means you'll get run over by something down here on the ground!

hate to say it, but the chick makes sense.

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so you idiots didn't know that law enforcement has always been able to open mail using "exigent circumstances"?


NYDaily spun you people real good.

edit- someone will get pissy about that even as a joke.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z ^^ I think you'd make an obedient slave.

Sorry, your sarcasm meter appears to be broken...

come on...Nigerian Prince?

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Originally posted by Q5echo so you idiots didn't know that law enforcement has always been able to open mail using "exigent circumstances"? NYDaily spun you people real good.

Uhh, no. While true that law enforcement has the right to do this, they only have that right WITH A PROPER SEARCH WARRANT garnered by either the federal or FISA courts.

This new signing statement allows Bush to once again circumvent FISA and the federal court warrant process and open up mail whenever he sees fit.

Worse than that, take a look at the signing statement:

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The executive branch shall construe subsection 404(c) of title 39, as enacted by subsection 1010(e) of the Act, which provides for opening of an item of a class of mail otherwise sealed against inspection, in a manner consistent, to the maximum extent permissible, with the need to conduct searches in exigent circumstances...... http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/rele...20061220-6.html

What is subsection 404(c) of title 39? Welp, it's not from the bill that Congress created - rather, title 39 is from EXISTING FEDERAL LAW:

http://www.access.gpo.gov/uscode/ti..._chapter4_.html

IOW, Bush used this signing statement not just to modify the meaning of actual legislation created by Congress - he took it a step further and modified EXISTING FEDERAL LAW. How a signing statement can somehow perform this legally is rather bewildering.

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