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Lilith
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Sheikh Hilali rips into Australia... again

After 'apologising' for his women as meat comments, this idiot has decided to open his mouth up on Egyptian TV and start deriding his adopted country again....

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Hilali ridicules nation of convicts

TAJ Din al-Hilali has ridiculed his adopted country on Egyptian television, dismissing the furore over his insults to women and defence of gang rapists while claiming Muslims had more right to live in Australia than the ancestors of convicts.
The latest outburst by Australia's chief Muslim cleric came during an interview as he enjoyed what was meant to be a self-imposed exile in the Middle East to duck the national outrage he sparked late last year.

But rather than douse the controversy, which divided Muslim Australia and further strained relations with the broader community, the imam of Sydney's Lakemba mosque has inflamed it.

"The Western people are the biggest liars and oppressors and especially the English race," the mufti of Australia said in Arabic during the extensive interview in Eqypt, his birthplace. "The Anglo-Saxons who arrived in Australia arrived in shackles. We paid for passports from our own pockets. We have a right in Australia more than they have."

Having last year suggested victims should share the blame for being sexually assaulted, Sheik Hilali used the interview to blame the September 11 attacks on the US for influencing lengthy sentences given to Sydney's notorious Lebanese Muslim gang rapists.

"Up until then the worst crime in Australia had received seven years' jail," he said.

He told the two interviewers during the wide-ranging discussion that his time in Australia since the early 1980s had given him a great insight into the Australian way of life and the Western mentality, which he labelled "oppressive".

But then, referring to gay unions, Sheik Hilali said: "I understand the mentality of the West and especially the Australian mentality and I understand that the Australian law guarantees freedoms to the point of insanity."

Having held on to his title as mufti of Australia and survived widespread calls last year for him to be sacked as Lakemba's religious leader, Sheik Hilali will come under renewed pressure to stand down when he returns to Australia.

The Australian in October last year revealed Sheik Hilali's inflammatory sermon - in which he likened immodestly dressed women to meat and suggested rape victims were as much to blame as their attackers.

The remarks in the sermon - translated by The Australian and independently verified by two Arabic language experts - prompted outrage among Muslims and the mainstream community. Sheik Hilali sparked the controversy by telling hundreds of worshippers about adultery: "If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside on the street, or in the garden or in the park, or in the backyard without a cover, and the cats come and eat it ... whose fault is it, the cats or the uncovered meat? The uncovered meat is the problem."

Invited on to Egyptian television to explain his sermon, the mufti, who last year had repeatedly insisted that he was taken out of context, defended the remarks and blamed the media for the uproar.

"This is a calculated conspiracy aimed at terrorising our Islamic community, aimed at me first in order to bring the Islamic community to its knees," Sheik Hilali said.

At the height of the "uncovered meat" furore, John Howard called on Muslims to denounce their leader and remove him from office but yesterday the Prime Minister was more circumspect about Sheik Hilali's convict comments. "It will bring a wry smile to the face of many Australians who sort of don't actually feel the least bit offended that many of our ancestors came here as convicts," he said.

Keysar Trad, president of the Islamic Friendship Association of Australia, said that while some of Sheik Hilali's comments were controversial, the cleric deserved a chance to explain himself upon his return to Australia.


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Normally Australia is a fairly tolerant a place as I've found, but theres a limit on how much crap they'll take in terms of criticism and I'm worried it'll end up becoming increasingly divisive on a religious level. Not that most Aussies seem to be very religious, nothing like the US or middle east and comparatively trouble free for this sort of thing.
Quite sad really, some people really dont know how lucky they are to live here.

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People need to just tolerate each other. He says muslims
belong there more than anglos. I say if anyone deserves
Australia more it's the indiginous people who I doubt are
muslims. And if you go back even futher, Islam originated
in the middle east. So you can say that they only have a
right to that part of the world and not take into account
the way religions spread from that part of the world. And
if you go beyond that I'm sure there were plenty of other
religions in place before the main 3.

I saw just let everyone do their own thing and mind your
own business. As long as no one is breaking laws or being
violent leave your neighbors and their beliefs alone.


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Re: Sheikh Hilali rips into Australia... again

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Originally posted by Lilith
After 'apologising' for his women as meat comments, this idiot has decided to open his mouth up on Egyptian TV and start deriding his adopted country again....



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Normally Australia is a fairly tolerant a place as I've found, but theres a limit on how much crap they'll take in terms of criticism and I'm worried it'll end up becoming increasingly divisive on a religious level. Not that most Aussies seem to be very religious, nothing like the US or middle east and comparatively trouble free for this sort of thing.
Quite sad really, some people really dont know how lucky they are to live here.


If he don't like Australia then he should leave no ones holding a gun to his head.


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Lilith
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Well it's eminantly nicer than Egypt thats for sure.
Actually I think he's here under permanant resident status like I am, so they could deport his ass if they wanted too. But if they do that, then theyre in the muddy-middle where it makes Australia look bad for deporting foreign religious figures.
Which is what I think he wants ultimately, he's certainly not stupid and fairly clever about wording himself in the past enough to needle even slack, lazy Australians into getting pissed off and then claiming the press misquoted him.

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