Clearly America's fault for removing Saddam from power thereby creating the circumstances which give rise to such incidents. Next.

See, here in America, we're so responsible that not only are we responsible for our own actions, but we're responsible for the actions of other people, too. Oh, but only if those actions are bad!

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Originally posted by Arbiter Clearly America's fault for removing Saddam from power thereby creating the circumstances which give rise to such incidents. Next. See, here in America, we're so responsible that not only are we responsible for our own actions, but we're responsible for the actions of other people, too. Oh, but only if those actions are bad!

Also, you can't forget that this is also the fault of the Jews. Sure, it happened in Iraq and by Iraqis, but if the Jews weren't so horrible, they wouldn't have been "refugees" in the first place.

So, in the end I blame America first and Israel second. I place no responsibility on their kidnappers.

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Originally posted by NeoPhono Also, you can't forget that this is also the fault of the Jews. Sure, it happened in Iraq and by Iraqis, but if the Jews weren't so horrible, they wouldn't have been "refugees" in the first place. So, in the end I blame America first and Israel second. I place no responsibility on their kidnappers.

Kidnappers in Iraq dont give a shit if you're Muslim, Christian, American, Iranian, French or whatever. Remember how Russia was against the war in Iraq? Russia and Iraq always had good relations and Russians are overall supported by Iraqis. Well now, how many Russians have died in bombing, abductions, and even freakin attack on a Russian convoy of diplomats that eventually resulted in their executions by beheading???? The kidnappers dont make any difference in judgement. Their goal is to kick out of the country ALL NON-IRAQIS. And have been quite successful. So its not just against Palestinians.

Quite a dumb idea I'd say. I remember the hostage taking of the Red Cross workers too. Its amazing how some of them managed to survive their ordeal in captivity. Others have died, sadly.

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Originally posted by Arbiter Clearly America's fault for removing Saddam from power thereby creating the circumstances which give rise to such incidents. Next. See, here in America, we're so responsible that not only are we responsible for our own actions, but we're responsible for the actions of other people, too. Oh, but only if those actions are bad!

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Originally posted by NeoPhono Also, you can't forget that this is also the fault of the Jews. Sure, it happened in Iraq and by Iraqis, but if the Jews weren't so horrible, they wouldn't have been "refugees" in the first place. So, in the end I blame America first and Israel second. I place no responsibility on their kidnappers.

So you guys seriously can't diffentiate between the state and it's polices/power structures and the people? I don't know, maybe you do have to some anarchist convictions to understand that concept, although I certainly don't think it's necessary.

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Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
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Originally posted by shaolin_Z So you guys seriously can't diffentiate between the state and it's polices/power structures and the people? I don't know, maybe you do have to some anarchist convictions to understand that concept, although I certainly don't think it's necessary.

I'm not quite sure how to interpret your comment, but you do know we were both being sarcastic?

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Originally posted by NeoPhono I'm not quite sure how to interpret your comment, but you do know we were both being sarcastic?

That much was obvious. Although I'm not entirely sure if that was directed at anyone in particular or not.

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"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller