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Originally posted by metalgearsolid ...lets go back into history and consider this a scenario: When the Soviet Union invaded Eastern Germany and they signed the peace agreement and such. What would have happened if USSR rather than stopping invaded the rest of Europe. Would the Americans be able to stop them? And if Europe did come under Soviet control what would Europe be like now? You don't have to participate in this if you want to, and I don't want a history lesson. We are predicting what would have happened had Stalin gone to invade the rest of Germany rather than just stay in Eastern Europe right after the battle of berlin.

He (Joe) would have overextended his military capacity. No way a Soviet empire that comprised of most of Europe would have held together long.

The UK, strategically would have been almost impossible for Joey to conquer w/o letting up on other fronts.

But at least Israel wouldn't exist!

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Originally posted by Cyrus King i listen to trance becuase it is beautifully composed like a classical piece of music.... but with beats in it...

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Originally posted by Magnetonium I hardly if ever acknowledge sarcasm from a person I dont know because I ran into serious problems on an undisclosed buying website before.

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Originally posted by Dopey He (Joe) would have overextended his military capacity. No way a Soviet empire that comprised of most of Europe would have held together long. The UK, strategically would have been almost impossible for Joey to conquer w/o letting up on other fronts. But at least Israel wouldn't exist!

I have a weird feeling about this, but Joe would have been able to hold Europe together. He was just that type of individual who would be able to pull such a feat.

THIS is what would have happened.

The Soviet Union lost 10.7 million soldiers and 11.5 million civilians in WWII, almost 14% of their population. I don't think they would have had the man power to do much damage in Europe.

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Originally posted by metalgearsolid I have a weird feeling about this, but Joe would have been able to hold Europe together. He was just that type of individual who would be able to pull such a feat.

You wanna have sexytime with him or something?

The people of the USSR were tired, weak, starving, they wanted nothing of another war, Stalin obviously saw this or else he would have pushed on Europe after the US withdrew.

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Originally posted by Cyrus King i listen to trance becuase it is beautifully composed like a classical piece of music.... but with beats in it...

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Originally posted by Magnetonium I hardly if ever acknowledge sarcasm from a person I dont know because I ran into serious problems on an undisclosed buying website before.

I'd post some actual historical information on this discussion, but I dont think anyone on this thread is going to appreciate it.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium I'd post some actual historical information on this discussion, but I dont think anyone on this thread is going to appreciate it.

You going to need an ambulance to get that pole out of your arse or just going to learn to live with it?

So put me on ignore again if you dont like it.

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We are predicting what would have happened had Stalin gone to invade the rest of Germany rather than just stay in Eastern Europe right after the battle of berlin.

Bit hard to say, there was certainly a lot of allied forces in Germany and through europe, not just the american forces and there was some sense of civility there amongst the USSR/Allied forces which I honestly don't think would have wanted to actually fight each other. They'd both gone through tremendous losses to get to Germany so it wouldnt suprise me if they'd actually disobeyed the order. From memory though, there was probably more than enough soviets on the ground to do the job and they would have certainly annexed Berlin, the airpower of the Allies though at that point was massive and easy enough to deploy which would have nullified a lot of the soviet advantage like armour and artillery.

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Originally posted by Lilith You going to need an ambulance to get that pole out of your arse or just going to learn to live with it?

lol, I think he sat on fusilli Putin

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Originally posted by Cyrus King i listen to trance becuase it is beautifully composed like a classical piece of music.... but with beats in it...

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Originally posted by Magnetonium I hardly if ever acknowledge sarcasm from a person I dont know because I ran into serious problems on an undisclosed buying website before.

Could the USSR have taken all of Europe after the fall of Nazi Germany?

In the short run yes. They could have.

Not to downplay the feats of the UK, Canada, and the US for their role in securing western europe, but the Soviets had fought a bitter campaign from the depths of their homeland to the capital of their enemy. Had Stalin wished for them to roll on over and continue west he could have easily done it. They had the momentum and the man power.

The thing is they wouldn't have held them for long. The US was the only country with atomic weapons at the time. The US, using bomber bases in the UK could have easily desmitated the Soviets with nuclear weapons as the USSR did not have the airforce or the navy at that point to hold control of the air or the sea.


Now if you want to talk about USSR taking Europe in the 50's or the 80's thats another story...

If you're asking whether the Soviets could have taken Europe alone without any outside help the answer is debatable. I doubt the Soviets could have lost, however, Germany might have been able to successfully sue for peace.

Now if you're asking if the Soviets could have steamrolled through the allies to take Western Europe I would say absolutely not. The Soviets didn't develop atomic weaponry until 1949. The Soviet population and homeland was decimated. And they would have had to face against a combined US, Britain, and German army. Many German units surrendered to the Americans under the assumption that they would join forces to attack the Soviets. Then consider the French, Poles, Indians, Chinese, etc. All in all, the Russians sacrificed 20 million people against the Germans who were fighting a two front war. If you think that they could make the same sacrifice against an even stronger opponent well than ...

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