The tendency shows otherwise.

I don't have time to elaborate but I think you're not right...especially Ableton performances can make daaaaaaaaamn interesting show...especially if you don't use ableton only to match the tracks etc...but add improvised melodies, restructure tracks or remix live...people like it...

why wouldn't they? it's nice to hear music being manipulated in a unique way just for one show...they will hear something unique...

I don't say matching and mixing on CDJs doesn't kinda make it unique also...just the level of creativity with ableton is much bigger.

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i dont care really, just play with what you like, be it ableton,cds,vinyl,traktor and all the other stuff...

all this talk about future...live now lol

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Originally posted by Akazi i dont care really, just play with what you like, be it ableton,cds,vinyl,traktor and all the other stuff... all this talk about future...live now lol

i agree with him.most of the people on the dance floor dont care how you mix, as long as they are having fun and enjoying that is all that matters, weather you use 2 cups and spoon for your drums or a 100 piece drumkit.

Wow I pity your myopic view. You must live in some bubble with a relentless attitude to hold on to things that are "classic". You might want to do yourself a favor (as a dj and musician) and accept digital technology as a friend. Contrary to what you're stating, I don't think it will be too long until the two media merges completely. It's already to the point where you can't tell if the dj is playing digital or vinyl unless you're actually watching.

Also, the purpose of being a dj is to be a performer. Digital technology allows you to enhance your performance. As I mentioned in another thread, I feel that being adaptable is an integral part of the dj performance. It allow you to grow and develop your sound. Digital technology allows for this. The initial cost of a digital production studio is drastically less than that of a hardware studio.

You mentioned setup. I've managed a live pa before and I can tell you that the setup for a live act is much more of pain in the ass than some laptop. Even as a Serato dj, all you have to do is plug your interface in and go. Even when I do cd gigs, I can carry 120 full length cds (each with about 12-15 tracks) in a case that's an fraction of the size of a record case containing 120 records.

And what does being able to carry that much music mean to me? Adaptability. It means that I can now truly play to any crowd at any time with just about any sounds that I feel I need. My timeslot gets bumped an hour? I got it covered. Somebody doesn't show and I have to play earlier? No problem, I got the music. The crowd is less psychedelic and more progressive? Just have to switch it up. The promoter wants me to go on for awhile longer? No big deal. No scrambling for tracks and B-Sides to fill time.

Digital technology provides for enhancability and adapatation to the dj's set. Which, IMHO is what makes a good dj, a great dj.

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It's already to the point where you can't tell if the dj is playing digital or vinyl unless you're actually watching.

I think it's pretty easy. Digital DJs usually have some sort of Attention Deficit Mixing, lots of tracks in a short amount of time, ungodly amounts of afterthought mashups, etc

I agree that it allows enhancement of performance, but I want to make the point that it doesn't enhance the performance if the DJ is unskilled as it is, and given that it is more accesible financially it is the case that you get a lot more half-assed DJs.


There is something important I think about dropping 2500 usd or more on equipment. This way only the people who truly love it and are willing to screw themselves over it are the people who try, and you kind of are forced to take it more seriously because of it.

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Originally posted by nefardec I think it's pretty easy. Digital DJs usually have some sort of Attention Deficit Mixing, lots of tracks in a short amount of time, ungodly amounts of afterthought mashups, etc I agree that it allows enhancement of performance, but I want to make the point that it doesn't enhance the performance if the DJ is unskilled as it is, and given that it is more accesible financially it is the case that you get a lot more half-assed DJs. There is something important I think about dropping 2500 usd or more on equipment. This way only the people who truly love it and are willing to screw themselves over it are the people who try, and you kind of are forced to take it more seriously because of it.

No, I fully agree. Vinyl purists tend to argue that all digital dj's have to do is "press play" and the everything works on it's own. This may be true for some digital programs but cd decks work the same as vinyl decks. In fact, with digital you actually have to KNOW your music. You don't have the grooves of vinyl slate to help you.

This is another topic altogether but I just wanted to reiterate the point. Yes, it doesn't matter what media you're on (even computer software), if you don't have a knowledge of the fundementals of dj'ing, you're gonna sound like crap no matter what you play.

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Originally posted by TwistedDUO No, I fully agree. Vinyl purists tend to argue that all digital dj's have to do is "press play" and the everything works on it's own. This may be true for some digital programs but cd decks work the same as vinyl decks. In fact, with digital you actually have to KNOW your music. You don't have the grooves of vinyl slate to help you. This is another topic altogether but I just wanted to reiterate the point. Yes, it doesn't matter what media you're on (even computer software), if you don't have a knowledge of the fundementals of dj'ing, you're gonna sound like crap no matter what you play.

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have u ever used ableton before? it shows u the damn song layout and progress of the song...

what about CD decks? they dont tell u jack shit about the song structure etc...

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Originally posted by TwistedDUO No, I fully agree. Vinyl purists tend to argue that all digital dj's have to do is "press play" and the everything works on it's own. This may be true for some digital programs but cd decks work the same as vinyl decks. In fact, with digital you actually have to KNOW your music. You don't have the grooves of vinyl slate to help you.

kinda off topic but cdj's do have a wave readout. plus it has a time counter so you know exactly where you are at. i've been playing for years and cdj's are by far eaiser to dj on.

but as far as the ableton goes, if the producers wanted their tracks to be all tweeked out and mashed up they would have written it that way. its fun to be creative but i feel LIVE is more suited for producers.

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Originally posted by DJ Z This is where I think we are going...thought you'd all like & hate this: CDJs: the way we manipulate the songs (using a "deck") will not change, but the media will. you still need beatmatching skills. instead of audio tracks/mp3s on CDs, the internal/external hard drive will become standard. all of the software people use to mix with will fade away - and we will continue just using decks because: - people are going to get tired of hauling around their computers/laptops for gigs - clubs dont know how to maintain the equipment & wont buy new computers for their Djs every year - hitting the synch button on the software mixer to instantly beatmatch does not cut it for live performances. software-aided mixing programs is only a phase the industry is goin through and will not last. industry is pushing it to the superstar DJs - thats the only reason it's taking off. these programs will continue to be a favorite of bedroom DJs and professional recoding studios. VINYL: i dont care if the vinyl is controlling an mp3 on a hardrive...as long as you still have to physically push the vinyl on a turntable. software like Final Scratch for vinyl will diasppear and be replaced by turntables with internal hard drives. AGAIN, computers hooked to external tables/decks is NOT going to last! dont get too wrapped up in the software world...stick to your decks and turntables & maintain your beatmatching skills.

i'm commenting mostly on the bold section.
so now djs would have to lug around their own TTs everywhere instead of records/cds/laptop+serato box? they'd have to plug their own TTs with hdds to the mixers in the clubs?! sounds like a fucking stupid idea if you ask me. how on earth did you come up with something like that?

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