Progress? lol

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don't show Erdega that. he thinks Bush is Hitler reincarnated.

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Originally posted by Q5echo don't show Erdega that. he thinks Bush is Hitler reincarnated.

Way to sidetrack a thread , you were left speechless maybe ?

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Originally posted by erdega you were left speechless maybe ?

no. it's just you are so easily motivated by Islamist propaganda and blind hate that you seemed to miss that particular thread demonstrating the complete opposite of what you are trying to assert with this one. with respect to administration of course.

i could be totally wrong though, so carry on.

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Originally posted by Q5echo no. it's just you are so easily motivated by Islamist propaganda and blind hate that you seemed to miss that particular thread demonstrating the complete opposite of what you are trying to assert with this one.

There seems to be allot of those around this place

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Originally posted by erdega Ever since the earlier assertions of WMDs and links to 9/11 were proven decidedly false, US occupation authorities have maintained that they only want what's best for iraqi people as in democracy, human rights and reconstruction among other noble feats. But this doesn't include iraqis themselves apparently as they are barred from fleeing iraq to US apparently whereas we have at least 2 million internal regugees and up to 2 million in neighboring countries like Jordan and Syria. In this text we can read that only 463 Iraq refugees have been granted asylum in the US out of population of 25 million in the last 4 years since the invasion and subsequent war that followed . Which raises a question whether US is afraid of Iraqis or is there some other even more sinister motive ? Make no mistake,US would love to accept most of them and be seen as completelly benevolent, not to mention the decrease of potential victims and potential enemies on the ground would be much smaller per se. Right now there is a motion to accept as many as 7000 new refugees but even this relativelly small number seems to be too much and disturbing to many legislators and politicians. http://www.sierratimes.com/07/02/20/refugees.htm

...and why would you bring the problems home again?

I'm all for immigration however, I'd have to question the wisdom of bring in immigrants from an area that already has problems.

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I should clarify that.
What I mention to say was, why risk bringing home the Jihad when there is no reasonable way of screening protential problems?
It just seems like asking for trouble no?

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Last edited by Fir3start3r on Feb-27-2007 at 14:38

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Originally posted by Q5echo no. it's just you are so easily motivated by Islamist propaganda and blind hate that you seemed to miss that particular thread demonstrating the complete opposite of what you are trying to assert with this one. with respect to administration of course. i could be totally wrong though, so carry on.

I am Serbian Canadian and I hate Islamic terrorists personally on all levels but I hate American government at least as much for their active genocide against Serbian people and their tacit support of islamic terror against us. American government is/was very pro jihadist in their war on Serbia where they imported, armed and trained thousands of jihadis to slaughter our people and burn our churches which happens to this day under UN/NATO occupation.

To this day, despite their rhetoric of "war on terror" and "islamofascism" they are using islamic weapon to destroy Serbia among others. Clinton democrats attacked Serbia to appease radical islamists and Al Qaida thinking they would stop their attacks on American tergets among other things. Of course that didn't happen since their main mission is to expell western forces from islamic countries and create a global calliphate from Indonesia to Morocco. This is why 9/11 was important event as it shattered everything Clinton democrats worked for as they tried to unite American global interests with global jihad You won't hear about this in corporate controlled western media just like you will never see Iraqi victims or know that at least 3.8M have been made refugees by this war. Freedom of media, forget about it!

The issue of Iraq is the same in most ways where US&UK government were solely motivated by imperialist land grab (certainly not by terror threat,especially not islamic one since Saddam's regime was secular socialist) and a "training session" for their military on a weakened state. How arrogant of all the experts, politicos to predict that Iraqis would submit to diktat after 12 years of sanctions , air bombardments and daily death and destruction. Jihadist presence became reality only after the invasion and after the borders were left wide open.

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r ...and why would you bring the problems home again? I'm all for immigration however, I'd have to question the wisdom of bring in immigrants from an area that already has problems. [edit] I should clarify that. What I mention to say was, why risk bringing home the Jihad when there is no reasonable way of screening protential problems? It just seems like asking for trouble no?

The point is that if you can't bring them over here how can US rule over them over there. It doesn't matter where the immigrants come from, couple of weeks ago a bosnian muslim immigrant massacred people in Utah and these are US allied muslims

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Originally posted by erdega I am Serbian Canadian and I hate Islamic terrorists personally on all levels but I hate American government at least as much for their active genocide against Serbian people and their tacit support of islamic terror against us. American government is/was very pro jihadist in their war on Serbia where they imported, armed and trained thousands of jihadis to slaughter our people and burn our churches which happens to this day under UN/NATO occupation. To this day, despite their rhetoric of "war on terror" and "islamofascism" they are using islamic weapon to destroy Serbia among others. Clinton democrats attacked Serbia to appease radical islamists and Al Qaida thinking they would stop their attacks on American tergets among other things. Of course that didn't happen since their main mission is to expell western forces from islamic countries and create a global calliphate from Indonesia to Morocco. This is why 9/11 was important event as it shattered everything Clinton democrats worked for as they tried to unite American global interests with global jihad You won't hear about this in corporate controlled western media just like you will never see Iraqi victims or know that at least 3.8M have been made refugees by this war. Freedom of media, forget about it! The issue of Iraq is the same in most ways where US&UK government were solely motivated by imperialist land grab (certainly not by terror threat,especially not islamic one since Saddam's regime was secular socialist) and a "training session" for their military on a weakened state. How arrogant of all the experts, politicos to predict that Iraqis would submit to diktat after 12 years of sanctions , air bombardments and daily death and destruction. Jihadist presence became reality only after the invasion and after the borders were left wide open.

+1 Good post.

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Originally posted by erdega The point is that if you can't bring them over here how can US rule over them over there. It doesn't matter where the immigrants come from, couple of weeks ago a bosnian muslim immigrant massacred people in Utah and these are US allied muslims

The U.S. intent never was to 'rule' them over there, that's the difference...
They're there trying to hold that place together more than anything now.

They were hoping that the Iraqis would like to govern themselves, hence all the current problems...

oh how wrong they were (apparently)...

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The grey rain-curtain of this world rolls back, and all change to silver glass...and then you see it...
...white shores...and beyond...the far green country under a swift sunrise."

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r The U.S. intent never was to 'rule' them over there, that's the difference...

So all those lies, all those military bases , all that death and desctuction was just a theatre of war or what ?
Remember they've done that to Serbia few years ago and we are faring far worse than Iraqis. Iraqis have understood from the start that they are the targets and will lose all of the basic rights under oocupation and the occupation forces will be accountable to no one and the only way to regain those rights is by retaliation and resistance . When someone occupies you under the pretext of lies and deadly sanctions before that , they are nothing but your deadly enemy. Americans knew that but their arrogance of millitary supremacy got the better of them which was inspired by their
pyrrhic victory over Serbia

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They're there trying to hold that place together more than anything now.

And for what ? They didn't come there to keep peace but to occupy , get oil and get military bases and now it's all about saving themselves because for 4 years they can't establish military control. Saddam in comparison was keeping that place in much better control but I gather this is none of your interest

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They were hoping that the Iraqis would like to govern themselves, hence all the current problems... oh how wrong they were (apparently)...

I guess Americans would really love to have local puppets represent them and to forgive them sanctions, lies and naked aggression and allow them to build their bases and exploit iraqi oil for themselves but that's not going to happen obviously and those people in US who call for withdrawal have now realized that