you can do that...or you can just choose the right algorythm in Live to do all the work for you...

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Originally posted by Floorfiller you can do that...or you can just choose the right algorythm in Live to do all the work for you...

How?

Edit: As far as I know, there is no better way to warp tracks than to do it yourself.

Last edited by Beatflux on Mar-09-2007 at 15:01

There are actually umpteen different ways you can warp in Live. Some things work better for some people, etc.

A couple of things I've learned that might help you out:

1. Don't call it a beat grid, it's warping. Beat gridding is a Traktor term

2. In the BPM/tempo entry box for the clip, the value will likely be close to a specific BPM (127.2, 128.4), round the value and enter it (127, 128, etc.). Since nearly all EDM is produced at a rounded BPM value, this will help ableton to determine where to place warp markers.

3. Next, set the first warp marker on the first beat of your track. Get it as accurate as you can.

4. Now zoom all the way to the very last marker, and set that.

5. Return to the first marker... now, for EDM (which has a steady beat 99.999% of the time, unless you ripped it from vinyl, etc.) right click the first warp marker and select "warp straight from here". This will force (or suggest) to ableton to place warp markers at very consistent places.

6. As an extra step to ensure accuracy, create a 16 or 32 bar loop at the beginning of your new track. Clicking the loop and pressing "alt-up/down" will move the loop up or down to the next/previous 16/32 bars in the track. Now, open a simple clean kick drump loop. Play the kick drum at the same time as your track loop (it's easier to hear then the metronome). Listen to ensure accuracy, and move the loop up through to the end of the track, checking quickly that everything is in time. If you need to make adjustments, do so, but run through the track once more.

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Originally posted by Ryan0751 There are actually umpteen different ways you can warp in Live. Some things work better for some people, etc. A couple of things I've learned that might help you out: 1. Don't call it a beat grid, it's warping. Beat gridding is a Traktor term 2. In the BPM/tempo entry box for the clip, the value will likely be close to a specific BPM (127.2, 128.4), round the value and enter it (127, 128, etc.). Since nearly all EDM is produced at a rounded BPM value, this will help ableton to determine where to place warp markers. 3. Next, set the first warp marker on the first beat of your track. Get it as accurate as you can. 4. Now zoom all the way to the very last marker, and set that. 5. Return to the first marker... now, for EDM (which has a steady beat 99.999% of the time, unless you ripped it from vinyl, etc.) right click the first warp marker and select "warp straight from here". This will force (or suggest) to ableton to place warp markers at very consistent places. 6. As an extra step to ensure accuracy, create a 16 or 32 bar loop at the beginning of your new track. Clicking the loop and pressing "alt-up/down" will move the loop up or down to the next/previous 16/32 bars in the track. Now, open a simple clean kick drump loop. Play the kick drum at the same time as your track loop (it's easier to hear then the metronome). Listen to ensure accuracy, and move the loop up through to the end of the track, checking quickly that everything is in time. If you need to make adjustments, do so, but run through the track once more.

This is exactly how I do it.

Oh yeah one more step:

7. CLICK SAVE ON THE CLIP OR YOUR CHANGES WILL BE LOST

i just do mine manually and keep autowarp off.

set 1st beat. analyze bpm with mixmeister bpm detector or other such program. enter bpm in section bpm.

for cdr rips/320s/wavs i just check a few beats further along the tune and make a couple touch ups if necessary.

vinyl rips i check every 16 beats:
set 1st beat
set a loop marker 16 beats in length
press shift+up/down to move quickly 16 beats forward/backward and compare waveforms.
adjust as necessary.

takes a bit longer but at least i know it's right

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Originally posted by Ryan0751 There are actually umpteen different ways you can warp in Live. Some things work better for some people, etc. A couple of things I've learned that might help you out: 1. Don't call it a beat grid, it's warping. Beat gridding is a Traktor term 2. In the BPM/tempo entry box for the clip, the value will likely be close to a specific BPM (127.2, 128.4), round the value and enter it (127, 128, etc.). Since nearly all EDM is produced at a rounded BPM value, this will help ableton to determine where to place warp markers. 3. Next, set the first warp marker on the first beat of your track. Get it as accurate as you can. 4. Now zoom all the way to the very last marker, and set that. 5. Return to the first marker... now, for EDM (which has a steady beat 99.999% of the time, unless you ripped it from vinyl, etc.) right click the first warp marker and select "warp straight from here". This will force (or suggest) to ableton to place warp markers at very consistent places. 6. As an extra step to ensure accuracy, create a 16 or 32 bar loop at the beginning of your new track. Clicking the loop and pressing "alt-up/down" will move the loop up or down to the next/previous 16/32 bars in the track. Now, open a simple clean kick drump loop. Play the kick drum at the same time as your track loop (it's easier to hear then the metronome). Listen to ensure accuracy, and move the loop up through to the end of the track, checking quickly that everything is in time. If you need to make adjustments, do so, but run through the track once more.

Pardon my Ableton newbness, but are these steps with auto warp on or off? The "set" buttons at start and end are grayed out for me and I'm not sure why.

Thanks

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Last edited by miamitranceman on Apr-24-2007 at 04:14

With Live 6 I just lay down a warp marker every 32 bars.

Works fine for me! I spose it's the advantage to not using stolen music


Also reminds me where my phrasing should take place, hehe.

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Autowarp usually works fine for me. I only do it manually when I cut a sample, or I need to fix it up a bit.

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