Ok..was talking to a friend recently and we kinda agreed that all jobs here in Toronto feel like they apply Japanese work ethics

Do you find that you gotta save face...not rock the boat...remain quiet and don't offer your views/opinions or suggestions. Essentually bite your lip more than usual?

Do you feel you gotta suck up a little more than usual...like get coffee's or offer to get it...just so that your boss or co-workers can get along better with you?

Do you find that even though your paid from said start time to said end time...your putting in a lot of overtime?

Do you feel underpaid for your skills?

Do you see people less deserving...getting promotions and the only reason why they got it is because they schmoozed their way into it?

Do you feel like your job drains you or stresses you out by the end of the day?

Does it bum you that there is no after hours work camaraderie? No company baseball/hockey games to play or go to?

What do you think? Agree or Disagree? And...what can we do to make things more positive in our work environment???

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Last edited by b4k-oz on Apr-17-2007 at 13:04

Ugh. Yes.

Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes and not particularly, no.

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Yeah most definitely, but that's the world of the corporate hierarchy, and capitalistic monarchy. What can you do about it? That's a good question. I'd always wondered if it would change in the next few years. Most of the old dinosaurs running companies nowadays will be in retirement in 10-15 years. However, the newer generation of entrants, those people of our age, aren't really learning to behave any differently. This site may have alot of people who are far more empathetic to those difficulties, but are far from being representative of MOST younger people comming into corporate worlds today. The sudden shift from school to work, and the inflow of funds that carries with it, only bring out the inherent greed in people. Thare are a few companies in TO that practice a totally different agenda, but they are very small in retrospect, and even though they deliver great products and services, most big players wouldn't consider their business models to be flexible enough to accomodate new ideas.

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Originally posted by b4k-oz Do you see people less deserving...getting promotions and the only reason why they got it is because they schmoozed their way into it?

If anyone wants to move up in their work place, they have to be outgoing, energetic and always ready to help type....


If your one who just minds his/her own business only and is just about time in and time out type time period @ work, than good luck,because your manager will just see you as an employee who wants to work there because they give there workers a bi-weekly cheque.Not someone who wants to move up the ladder.

Regardless of how bad it is @ work, always have that happy face with your manager and make him or her feel that you love every single second of it( Trust me it will work )

If you think this is kissing ass. ( Hello if one day when you move up the ladder and become a manager you will see how many people will kiss your ass just to be in your good books ) Good Luck.

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Originally posted by Provocative_boi If anyone wants to move up in their work place, they have to be outgoing, energetic and always ready to help type.... If your one who just minds his/her own business only and is just about time in and time out type time period @ work, than good luck,because your manager will just see you as an employee who wants to work there because they give there workers a bi-weekly cheque.Not someone who wants to move up the ladder. Regardless of how bad it is @ work, always have that happy face with your manager and make him or her feel that you love every single second of it( Trust me it will work ) If you think this is kissing ass. ( Hello if one day when you move up the ladder and become a manager you will see how many people will kiss your ass just to be in your good books ) Good Luck.

Hey...did you ever give the thought that some ppl smile, are energetic and eager to help...and yet they are still by-passed? Food for thought no?

And I don't know about others..but my thought about an ass kisser is someone who is behind the manager...doing special favours and snitching for them. In my books, those aren't admirable traits..and I'd hate to be a friend of someone like that.

Japanese work tactics also means that come 5pm..the one that leaves on time..is seen as a less deserving employee and his/her job often brings on a type of restricted or limited work assignments. In some cases...the idea of constructive dismissal, comes into play.

The real test..is how we shall overcome these tactics at work now, without jeapardizing our own personal work ethics.

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lol. at Japanese work ethics.

that's absurd.

it's not Japanese work ethics and if you think they are, you are very blind to the world.

these are American work ethics (a la Office Space).

Japanese people should not be brought into this conversation.

oh and a even bigger WTF goes to Japanese work tactics! what is this war?

If you don't like where you are working and what you are doing, try and change your situation.

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Originally posted by StereoPrincess lol. at Japanese work ethics. that's absurd. it's not Japanese work ethics and if you think they are, you are very blind to the world. these are American work ethics (a la Office Space). Japanese people should not be brought into this conversation. oh and a even bigger WTF goes to Japanese work tactics! what is this war? If you don't like where you are working and what you are doing, try and change your situation.

WOW...did someone drop something in your cornflakes today?

This thread was a topic for discussion. You were asked if u agree or disagree. Clearly you disagree but there's no need for such a negative and judgemental reply. Take a chill pill girl...cuz your reply does not sound like the mature and respectful StereoPrincess that we all know and love

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wtf japanese work ethics hahahah thats not it at all.

One of our clients is Japanese and its a pain in the ass, manny from my office leave for Japan for a year or more to work there and they always have some fucked up stories about how they work!

Starting with the 49 hours minimum work week.

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Originally posted by b4k-oz And I don't know about others..but my thought about an ass kisser is someone who is behind the manager...doing special favours and snitching for them. In my books, those aren't admirable traits..and I'd hate to be a friend of someone like that.

I agree with your definition of an ass kisser.....


and its something even i dont like to do personally BUT , in all the companies that i have worked for so far only people who got somewhere in the organization were the cocky ones and the ones who knew when and how to kiss some serious ass.

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Originally posted by malek wtf japanese work ethics hahahah thats not it at all. One of our clients is Japanese and its a pain in the ass, manny from my office leave for Japan for a year or more to work there and they always have some fucked up stories about how they work! Starting with the 49 hours minimum work week.

oh c'mon malek..share some stories. I've never worked in japan...but it was an interesting conversation the other day..and now I'm curious to know all about it.

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- A japanese will never say NO, never ever, He will always say flat out YES I can do it without hesitation, even if its hard or complicated. The worst is when asked if he understands the task he will say YES, even if he doesn't. For someone new in Japan, its a big drama and hard to understand. So it all becomes a non-verbal game where you have to check non-verbal signs to see if a person is comfortable or not with the things asked.

-If he says " I am not sure ", then you have asked something completely impossible to do

-A work week is minimum 49 hours, but usualy its in the mid 50s to 60 hours, every day of the week has a different schedule, some days longer than others.

-If you do a mistake, even the most insignificant one, be prepared to apologize a 100 times and write a letter of excuse, that letter should also cover what you will do in order not to repeat that error (you will be fucked if you do it again because you were supposed to remedy to it).

-You never look Japanese in the eyes, its like you are confronting them.

-If two parties have a meeting, if one party gives an offer to the other, the recieving party could stay silent for long minutes before saying anything about it ( they are thinking ). In the west this could be seen as a cold reception of the offer ( price asked too high? something else is wrong? etc).

If something else comes up I will post about it

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