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Yoepus
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Fatah Isn't the Answer

I know, I know there are a million Isra/Palestine threads, so what's one more?

I thought it would be appropriate to start a new thread as the other ones here are long, boring, and have gotten into bickering. I thought the below article might interest a few of you here.

It offers a new approach, and a new way of thinking.

And I definitely think trying a new approach is the only possibility of changing the reality of this solution.

Read article below:

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Fatah Isn't the Answer
By MICHAEL OREN
June 20, 2007

America and its Middle Eastern allies have every reason to panic. The green flags of Hamas are furling over Gaza and the al-Fatah forces trained and financed by the United States have ignominiously fled. Fears are rife that Iranian-backed and Syrian-hosted terror will next achieve dominance over the West Bank and proceed to undermine the pro-Western governments of Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt and the Gulf.

To avert this catastrophe, the U.S. has joined with the Israelis and the Europeans in resuming the flow of hundreds of millions of dollars in financial aid to the Palestinian Authority under the leadership of its Fatah president, Mahmoud Abbas, and accelerating talks for the establishment of a West Bank Palestinian state. The goal is to provide Palestinians with an affluent, secular and peaceful alternative to Hamas, and persuade Gazans to return to the Fatah fold. But the policy ignores every lesson of the abortive peace process to date as well as Fatah's monumental corruption, jihadism and militancy. Indeed, any sovereign edifice built on the rotten foundations of the Palestinian Authority is doomed to implode, enhancing, rather than diminishing, Hamas's influence.
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Gunmen from the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades. Is funding them the path to peace?

Since its creation by the so-called Oslo Accords of 1993, the PA has garnered more international aid than any entity in modern history -- more, per capita, than the European states under the Marshall Plan. The lion's share of this fortune has been siphoned into the private accounts of Fatah leaders or used to pay off the commanders of some 16 semi-autonomous militias. The PA also maintains an estimated 60,000 uniformed gunmen on its payroll, giving the West Bank the world's highest percentage of policemen-to-population.

The Palestinian people, meanwhile, languish in ever-deepening poverty and unemployment, while lawlessness plagues Palestinian streets. The unbridled corruption of the PA and its Fatah headmen served as a principal cause of Hamas's electoral victory in 2006, as well its takeover of Gaza. Viewers of Hamas television have recently been treated to tours of the lavish villas maintained by Fatah officials in the Strip, and video clips showing PA policemen, more abundantly armed and more numerous than Hamas's troops, fleeing at the first sign of battle.

Though Fatah originally aspired to replace Israel with a secular, democratic state in Palestine, the organization refashioned itself in 1990s as an Islamic movement, embracing the lexicon of jihad. Hundreds of mosques were built with public funds, and imams were hired to spread the message of martyrdom and the hatred of Christians and Jews. These themes became the staple of the official PA media, inciting the suicide bombings that began in 2000 and poisoning an entire generation of Palestinian youth. Ironically, the Islamization of Fatah legitimized Hamas and contributed to the cadres of religious extremists who are now defying its authority.

In addition to its fiscal malfeasance and Islamic radicalism, Fatah has never fulfilled its pledges to crack down on terror. Though Mahmoud Abbas routinely criticizes Palestinian terrorist attacks as "contrary to the Palestinian national interest" -- not an affront to morality and international law -- he has never disavowed the al-Aqsa Brigades, a Fatah affiliate responsible for some of the bloodiest attacks against Israeli civilians.

In the past, such assaults have served as a means of maintaining Fatah's legitimacy as a resistance movement and countering charges that the organization sold out to America and Israel. In fact, a distinct correlation exists between the amount of support that Fatah receives from the West and its need to prove its "Palestinianess" through terror.

In view of its performance over the past 14 years, the Palestinian Authority under Fatah can be counted on to squander most or all of the vast sums now being given to it by the U.S. and the international community. More gunmen will be hired and better weapons procured, but in the absence of a unified command and a leadership worth fighting for, PA soldiers will perform no more credibly than they did in Gaza. Mr. Abbas will continue to denounce terror while ignoring the terrorist units within his own organization, while PA imams will persist in preaching their jihadist sermons.

In response, Israel will be precluded from lifting the checkpoints that not only block suicide bombers but hinder communication between Palestinian cities. Impeded by Palestinian attacks and Israeli countermeasures, the peace talks will inexorably grind to a halt. In the end, the Palestinian people will remain impoverished, divided and stateless, and more than ever amenable to the purist polity of Hamas.

If funding and empowering Fatah is not a viable option for the U.S., what other courses might the administration take? Clearly no progress toward Palestinian statehood can be made before Fatah has reformed itself financially, ideologically and structurally. Even under the most propitious circumstances this process is certain to take many years -- longer if economic aid and political support are provided to the PA unconditionally. Similarly, proposals for containing Hamas's influence by stationing an international force along the Gaza border are unlikely to succeed if for no other reason than Hamas's avowed determination to resist such a deployment. Yet the need to combat Hamas and provide Palestinians with an attractive diplomatic horizon remains acute. There is, fortunately, an interim answer.

The U.S., together with its Quartet partners, can work to establish areas of extensive Palestinian autonomy in the West Bank. Within these districts, local Palestinian leaders will be fully empowered to manage all aspects of daily life including health, education and resource management. A national assembly, comprised of representatives from each district, will meet regularly to deliberate issues of West Bank-wide concern. Security, however, will be jointly administered by Israel and Jordan. The Jordanian involvement is crucial to convincing Palestinians that the status quo of occupation has ended and they may in the future assume full responsibility for their internal defense. Such an arrangement will benefit Jordan as well, by facilitating its efforts to fight radicalism and stem the flight of Palestinians over its borders.

Visiting Washington this week, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert described the Hamas conquest of Gaza as an opportunity for the Palestinians. This indeed may be the case, but not by resurrecting long-failed policies and imposing a state structure on a corrupt and incompetent Fatah. Doing so is tantamount to investing in the Titanic. Significant opportunities do, however, exist for policy makers -- American, Israeli, and Palestinian -- who are willing to consider new paradigms and incremental steps toward the realization of a durable peace.

Mr. Oren is a senior fellow at the Shalem Center and the author of "Power, Faith, and Fantasy: America in the Middle East, 1776 to the Present" (Norton, 2007).

source: wall street journal 19 jun 2007 op-ed page:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118...in_commentaries


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It's a good article and sums up what I said on the other thread when I asked why all of a sudden everyone was hailing Fatah as the "good guys". You seperate the West Bank and Gaza with Fatah controlling the West Bank, then I predict a third Intifada to flush the Israelis from their territory. I think this new Intifada would be more ferocious than the previous ones as this time, Fatah only have the West Bank to fight for after losing Gaza, and if they lose the support of the people in the West Bank, as happened in Gaza, then they cease to exist (they will be fight for survival)

However, I do disagree with the alternative solution suggested by the journalist. I get the impression he is a supporter of Israeli policy in the West Bank (ie occupation and annexation) as he suggests Jordanian involvement. Now I'm not sure whether Jordan would be prepared to become involved but it sounds to me like the author is hinting at returning (what's-left-of) the West Bank to Jordan, with Israel taking the bits it wants (Gaza can remain on it's own as it never had any areas wanted by the Israelis). I don't think that's fair on the Palestinians and I don't think they would accept Jordanian rule (with the way Jordan has treated Palestinians in the past)

I think the solution is the same as what it has always been (whether Gaza and West Bank remain one entity or not) - and that is the withdrawal of all Israeli forces and Settlers from the West Bank (or land swaps could be negotiated where Settlements are right on the border with Israel - where they cut into Palestinian land and create segments and cantons then they need to go)

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Hamas has indeed brought some much needed clarity to Palestinian problem thats for sure.

Abbas is here to stay. unfortunately so are all of the other militant factions (Al Aqsa, PLO ect...)

Abbas can only isolate Hamas so much b/c now, Hamas is Gaza. Gaza is Hamas. he's not going to chose one Palestine over another. that would be suicide.

if he tried too hard to marginalize Hamas, Hamas still being in the West Bank has several ways to drive wedges between the people and Fatah.

Abbas is going to have to somehow put better beaurocrats in office and clean Fatah up in a way that Palestinians can find some faith in their government. he has a modicum of moral authority (though not absolute) and lord knows he's got everyone and their dog backing him up...for now.

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quote:
Originally posted by George Smiley

I think the solution is the same as what it has always been (whether Gaza and West Bank remain one entity or not) - and that is the withdrawal of all Israeli forces and Settlers from the West Bank (or land swaps could be negotiated where Settlements are right on the border with Israel - where they cut into Palestinian land and create segments and cantons then they need to go)


how does that even begin to solve the Hamas problem? or do you not think Hamas is a problem?

EDIT> i should say; I agree somewhat, but still, how does that solve the Hamas problem?

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quote:
Originally posted by Q5echo
how does that even begin to solve the Hamas problem? or do you not think Hamas is a problem?

EDIT> i should say; I agree somewhat, but still, how does that solve the Hamas problem?

Well what I said above is obviously in very simple terms. To make any solution acceptable to Israel (and therefore realistic) it needs to take account of their security needs (the reason they use to justify the occupation). If they withdraw the argument is they leave themselves open to attack - well I say close the borders. The problem then is the reliance on Israel for Palestinian jobs. So the solution here is to end that reliance by improving the economy of the Palestinian areas. This is where the international community come in with aid, money, investment etc etc. Gaza has the potential to become a thriving logistical hub with it's location. Favourable agricultural agreements could be done for olives and other fruit etc.

I have no problem with a security wall, just as long as it takes an acceptable route (which the current one does not)

So the "Hamas problem" would be contained within the confines of a new Palestinian state

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quote:
Originally posted by George Smiley
Well what I said above is obviously in very simple terms. To make any solution acceptable to Israel (and therefore realistic) it needs to take account of their security needs (the reason they use to justify the occupation). If they withdraw the argument is they leave themselves open to attack - well I say close the borders. The problem then is the reliance on Israel for Palestinian jobs. So the solution here is to end that reliance by improving the economy of the Palestinian areas. This is where the international community come in with aid, money, investment etc etc. Gaza has the potential to become a thriving logistical hub with it's location. Favourable agricultural agreements could be done for olives and other fruit etc.

I have no problem with a security wall, just as long as it takes an acceptable route (which the current one does not)

So the "Hamas problem" would be contained within the confines of a new Palestinian state


In case you haven't noticed this type of arrangement doesn't work too well, due to a technological concept you might not be aware of called a "rocket".

Lebanon used it to great effect last summer (Israel withdrew from every bit o'land there, had they not the rocket barge would not of happened at its intensity), and Gazans use it today. When better rocket technology is smuggled it is only a matter of time Gazans will be able to target Israel's population center of Tel-Aviv, which would result in another ground campagin in Gaza, and a very bloody and costly one at that. No one wins.

The problem is the security situation you are right. But to have security you need a competent government. That is why the author of the article above proposed a good idea: get a good government in place, get local guys to run the fair. Take security out of the equation for now: show people there is an alternative to corruption, propaganda, and terror, allow new leaders to emerge, sane, responsible leaders.

Once there is such a thing in existence (one could easily argue this is impossible to achieve in this situation, to which I would counter, it can't get any worse, its worth a try) it will allow Palestinians to de-radicalize from Hamas and other extremist factions by showing a way out. This is of course assuming, Palestinians just want peace and to be left alone to get on with their lives.


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Well it's the chicken and the egg question - the Palestinians will never go elect moderates whilst ever Israel acts aggressively. Opinion polls showed after Oslo how keen the Palestinians were for peace with Israel when they thought they were getting their state and Israel would withdraw. But Oslo turned into a big joke as final settlement issues were put off until an interim period had passed with no violence, but it was those same final settlement issues that caused the violence in the first place! So Israel never had to fulfil its promises.

The Palestinians need to feel confident they will be given their state and left in peace before they consider voting for moderates again - and that means Israel needs to make the first move to create those conditions...

Otherwise you are left with a permanent occupation and the permanent war that goes hand in hand with occupation (and who's to say those advanced rockets you talk of cannot be smuggled into Gaza anyway, whether Israel gives the Palestinians their land or not?)

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