http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/04...on/edfoxman.php


Pretty sick if you ask me - regardless of your political allignments and opinions on palestinian conflict, why the hell start boycotting people who are just trying to learn?

This isn't a quetion about anti isarelism or anti zionism its a question of anti-semitism.

These british unions have been denying isareli noble lauretes to come and speak and their universites.

A growing backlash has been growing and the petition link is http://www.petitiononline.com/stopucu/petition.html

Blah, who thought the arab/israeli conflict would trump academic freedom

It's a sad day for liberty
:-(

Awesome!

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"The Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." -Stephen Hawking
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Originally posted by cdzromm This isn't a quetion about anti isarelism or anti zionism its a question of anti-semitism.

Bullshit. I have more semitic blood than any Jew I know, including my girlfriend. Ashkhenazi aren't even semitic to begin with, most Sephardic Jews who ARE semitic were killed during the holocaust. Arabs are semites btw, just in case you didn't know that.

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"The Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." -Stephen Hawking
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Bullshit. I have more semitic blood than any Jew I know, including my girlfriend. Ashkhenazi aren't even semitic to begin with, most Sephardic Jews who ARE semitic were killed during the holocaust. Arabs are semites btw, just in case you didn't know that.

what's your point...

anti zionism is against a political movement and I'm stating that this boycott is against an ethic group thus i use the term anti-semitism. (a semite is an umbrella term and in this case I am specifically referring to jews)

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Originally posted by cdzromm what's your point... anti zionism is against a political movement and I'm stating that this boycott is against an ethic group thus i use the term anti-semitism. (a semite is an umbrella term and in this case I am specifically referring to jews)

Which makes the usage of the term "anti-semitism" favouring one semitic group exculsively racist to begin with, and that it isn't anti-semitism at all. Unless someone hates all Arabs and [semitic] Jews, they couldn't possibly be "anti-semitic."

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"The Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." -Stephen Hawking
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Which makes the usage of the term "anti-semitism" favouring one semitic group exculsively racist to begin with, and that it's isn't anti-semitism. Unless someone hates all Arabs and [semitic] Jews, they couldn't possibly be "anti-semitic."

Than under your definition of "anti-semitic" who could possibly be an anti-semite?

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Originally posted by cdzromm Than under your definition of "anti-semitic" who could possibly be an anti-semite?

That's my point exactly, it's a bullshit term to begin with along with it's usage to end criticism of Israel and Zionism. I never heard of a black/hispanic guy complaining about "anti-blackism/hispanicism," everyone else just uses one word, "racism."

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"The Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." -Stephen Hawking
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z That's my point exactly, it's a bullshit term to begin with "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti_Semitism


that's a pretty hefty statement to say

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Originally posted by cdzromm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti_Semitism that's a pretty hefty statement to say

How so? Every group has been persecuted and suffered racism/prejudice. Why are Jews so damn special? Stalin killed far more people than Hitler, how come they aren't mentioned when people talk about the Holocaust? Hitler didn't only kill Jews btw, he was a fucking crazy Aryan supremacist who wasn't even Aryan himself, which makes it all the more ironic.

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"The Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." -Stephen Hawking
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Originally posted by cdzromm This isn't a quetion about anti isarelism or anti zionism its a question of anti-semitism.

Are they boycotting Jews?

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Originally posted by George Smiley Are they boycotting Jews?

They're boycotting every academic institution in Israel soely because they are Israeli.

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Originally posted by cdzromm They're boycotting every academic institution in Israel soely because they are Israeli.

And that's anti-Semitic?!