I'm actually not sure if a thread has been posted about this specifically, but I have a couple of questions on the subject of Djing Illegally. I've heard many people talk about "people they know" who DJ using illegal Mp3's. I was wondering how any one DJ would every be caught using them. I mean is it obvious to know or does someone report a DJ when they are skeptical about a situation?

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How would you prove that they're illegal? Sure you could ask for receipts, but not everyone keeps them. You can't just assume that because they don't have them it means they got them illegally. Innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around.

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No thats what I think, but what I mean is, there has been DJ's that have been caught using illegal MP3's. How do they get caught using them. I mean who figures out they are using them?

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i seriously doubt there are any djs out there that have played only tracks they have payed for, especially with territory restrictions at beatport not letting us buy the tracks we want.

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My guess is maybe they were caught playing tracks that have never been released anywhere? That the only possible way one could have the track is by ripping it illegally from a set, or downloading a leaked version before its release date?

ok so what if they played an unreleased track. I still think they could get away with it ya know? But do you guys know the punishment people recieve. Do they go to jail or just pay a big fine or what?

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im sure if you play an unreleased track by an artist that is playing that night and hears it...you might get your ass beat down depending on how they take it

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Originally posted by Liquid Fusion ok so what if they played an unreleased track. I still think they could get away with it ya know? But do you guys know the punishment people recieve. Do they go to jail or just pay a big fine or what?

My understanding is that this is a civil matter. That is why the RIAA has to sue after catching downloaders, not send people to jail. So, it'd be a case of whoever has rights (label, artist) bringing suit against the artist. It is against the law, but since it is an intellectual property issue, is handled outside of the criminal courts and in the civil courts.

A) Why would you play a track ripped from a set, it will 100% sound like shit guaranteed.

B) I agree with whoever said stuff about Territory restrictions

C) They track digital downloader-pirate-types now with whats the term again? "Water Marks" or something, I think it's on digital stuff anyway not too sure about that situation, so they can ban the uploaders from all the online stores like juno/beatport/djdownloads yada yada, smart strategy but most pirates are 900 steps ahead in the game and have IP randomizers so that they give the middle finger to Beatport.


Fact is though, DJs aren't the ones that are going to get caught most of the time, because DJ's TEND to use pirating as a last resort (At least in my experience and the ones I know). My suggestion is, buy your shit. If you cant afford to buy your shit, use stolen shit in your bedroom only and don't post sets on the internet that are full of stolen tunes, or for that matter, play out with stolen tunes. You'd be suprised at how many people will notice, and if you post illegals on here chances are you'll post a track with the wrong name and we'll all have a laugh at your expense.

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Originally posted by JD8180 My guess is maybe they were caught playing tracks that have never been released anywhere? That the only possible way one could have the track is by ripping it illegally from a set, or downloading a leaked version before its release date?

Could be caught playing something that has a very faint hint its been recorded off the radio.

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mp3 copyright laws when it comes to dance music are not only completely unenforceable but totally pointless as the RIAA (the people that would be MOST likely to prosecute) have NO incentive to go after DJs playing obscure dance music (a primarily disposable industry). Whatever money being lost is quite inconsequential in comparison to the main stream music market.

However, if you're playing your illegally downloaded copy of the new Dr Dre album that isn't due out for another year to a crowd of 10,000 then its very possible you will be targeted.

At the end of the day it comes down to how much money is being lost. Dance music is not a huge industry, so theres no real incentive for the RIAA to go after you for playing your promo rip of the latest armin tune.

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1) Why would people download tracks illegally to begin with? it's not worth it, the quality isn't guaranteed and tempo's are often unstable!

2)Territory restrictions are often easy to get around by buying direct from labels or other distributors OR simply getting a Dutch credit card. If you find yourself in the territory restriction boat, its often worth it!

3) How exactly would you be able to tell someone is playing illegaly obtained tracks? Whats to say, that a DJ ripped some of his vinyls and has sketchy sounding/looking tracks?

4) Something to think about is that Vonyc watermarks all their tracks so the IP it was obtained from can be tracked if it's been widely distributed.

My question is, did you hear from a "friend of a friend" or somesuch about someone getting busted? I've never heard anything like that before but I'd guess its extremely rare except in the case of file-sharers (the easiest way to get caught).

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