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Ian
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Registered: Dec 2001
Location: UK
gay adoption [debate]

Ok, I hadn't thought about this much until wednesday night when i saw an episode of law & order SVU;

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0629609/

basic idea was a little girl who had a gay mother was being bullied in a catholic school & attacked a lad who'd been bullying her. It came down to a case of the lawyer poisoning the grandparents of the girl to testify that her guardian (mums gf) had abused her & raised many issues. I turned over from this to the news to see that the catholic church is having a huge row on gay adoption & how it was being seen as government vs church.


the news story i found behind it

ow Over Gay Adoption
Updated: 21:42, Tuesday January 23, 2007

Catholic adoption agencies could be forced to close if they are made to comply with new gay rights laws.

Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O'Connor, the head of the Catholic church in England and Wales, has said Christian teaching prevents its agencies placing children with homosexuals.

But Tony Blair said the Government had yet to make up its mind on the issue.

Cardinal Murphy-O'Connor is asking for an exemption from laws banning discrimination against gay people.

Both Mr Blair and communities minister Ruth Kelly - a prominent Catholic - are reported to favour an opt-out that would allow the church's adoption services to turn away gay couples.

But the Lord Chancellor, Lord Falconer, has insisted it is "difficult to see" how an exemption could be justified.

"I don't want to see any adoption agencies, which do a very good job, closing," he told BBC Radio 4.

"But we've committed ourselves to anti-discrimination law - on the grounds of sexual orientation - and it's extremely difficult to see how you can be excused on the grounds of religion."

He added: "If we take the view that we shouldn't discriminate against people who are homosexual, you can't give exclusions to people on the grounds that their religion or their race says 'we don't agree with that'."

Asked about reports that Mr Blair backed the church's stance, he said simply: "The Cabinet has got to make a conclusion about it, but what I set out is the principles which should be applied."


just wondering what people thought (I would ask this in pdd but it'd probably turn into a debate about some sort of american conspiracy or something )

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Dj O'Callaghan
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Registered: Apr 2001
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My stance is they shouldn't be aloud to adopt children. A child needs a Mother and Father. Not two Fathers and not two Mothers. A child adopted by a same sex marriage will be ridiculed and bullied in school. It's unfair on the kid at the end of the day.


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UWM
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Registered: Mar 2001
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Hey, look at that. The Catholic church once again proving how closed-minded and archaic its beliefs are.

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we're all human beings.

catholics for the lose.

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quote:
Originally posted by Dj O'Callaghan
My stance is they shouldn't be aloud to adopt children. A child needs a Mother and Father. Not two Fathers and not two Mothers.

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quote:
Originally posted by Dj O'Callaghan
My stance is they shouldn't be aloud to adopt children. A child needs a Mother and Father. Not two Fathers and not two Mothers. A child adopted by a same sex marriage will be ridiculed and bullied in school. It's unfair on the kid at the end of the day.


Agreed.


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So you'd rather have a foster child shipped off to a home with a shitty mother and father than to a family of two dads or moms who are willing to give the child love and support?

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colonelcrisp
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i dont really see any problem with it. and it would certanly put an end to the "my dad can kick your dad's ass" comments.....


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Slylee
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Registered: May 2001
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one of my best friends was raised by her mother and her mother's "partner". they were lesbians and my friend was artificially inseminated. she really struggled growing up with that secret.

she's now a lesbian and she seems ok, but she's got a lot of mental issues and resented the shit out of her mom who died a couple of years ago. i honestly think that it was like a big burden off of my friend when her mom died. at least that's the impression i got. but it's a long story. her mom was bipolar n shit..lol


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Registered: Mar 2004
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her mom was bipolar n shit..lol


seriously. sexuality has nothing to do with it. they should screen parents for mental issues first before handing off a kid to them, or giving them one through art. insem.

i'm just saying there's shitty parents on both sides of the "spectrum", it's important to screen parents regardless of sexuality and not be biased based on that fact.

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LightsOut
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Registered: Jan 2007
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I also agree that a child should have a mother and father in order tobe adopted. Not trying to be disrespectful to the gay community or anything, but i jsut think its in the child's best intrests...


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