Hmmmm ... I found this one interesting. Pretty soon there won't be anything that science couldn't be able to tackle:

http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/...vr-outbody.html


Through the goggles, the volunteer is viewing the back of his body, as seen from behind by the camera. He is also watching a plastic rod moving toward a location just below the camera while his real chest is simultaneously touched in the corresponding spot. (Image courtesy of Henrik Ehrsson/Science)

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Scientists use VR to simulate out-of-body experiences The experience of seeing yourself outside your own body, often associated with neurological conditions or traumatic experiences such as car accidents, has been recreated in a laboratory setting with healthy participants in two separate experiments. The two studies, published Thursday in the journal Science, introduced methods of inducing elements of out-of-body experiences using virtual reality technology to trick the participants with a combination of visual and physical stimuli. Dr. Henrik Ehrsson of the Karolinka Institute in Stockholm was the lead researcher of one of the studies while at University College London. He suggests the findings provide scientific basis to an experience often thought to be a figment of the imagination. "Although out-of-body experiences have been reported in a number of clinical conditions, the neuro-scientific basis of this phenomenon remains unclear," he said in a statement. "The invention of this illusion is important because it reveals the basic mechanism that produces the feeling of being inside the physical body." In one of the studies, Ehrsson had participants sit on a chair and wear a pair of head-mounted displays connected to two cameras placed side by side, two metres behind their backs. When wearing the goggles, participants would see themselves from the perspective of someone sitting behind them.

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http://www.forbes.com/forbeslife/health/feeds/hscout/2007/08/23/hscout607615.html

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I saw this, interesting stuff.

I've also experienced it myself (while on dextromethorphan); it's very, very bizarre.

You can also do it consciously with your hands, by tapping your fingers a certain way on the back of your hand... your brain loses track of which fingers are where if you do it right, and it creates an artificial illusion. Another way to do it is to interlock your hands twice, at the knuckles and move your fingers individually one at a time with your eyes closed. Eventually, if done properly, you will cease "knowing" where your fingers are, and which is which, and the results are very bizarre feeling.

I theorize that our brain keeps "placemarkers" of where certain parts of our body are. Notice how we don't really "feel" any part of our body until it undergoes stimulation; this is where its past position, and new position are looked up and reconfigured.

It takes about half a second (.4 actually) for the brain to receive that signal from your fingers, which is a massive amount of time.

The brain makes up for this by guesstimating ahead of time (we believe). Thus, I am inclined to believe that we are actually living subconsciously in the past, constantly lagging behind what is actually happening in reality.

Our entire sense of time as far as the mind goes is actually dependent on how far from the brain the signal comes from (toes take longer to reach the brain). The fact that the brain pulls all this information together to make us "feel" like we're living in one moment is really quite a miraculous feat of biological engineering.

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Originally posted by DJ Shibby I saw this, interesting stuff. I've also experienced it myself (while on dextromethorphan); it's very, very bizarre. You can also do it consciously with your hands, by tapping your fingers a certain way on the back of your hand... your brain loses track of which fingers are where if you do it right, and it creates an artificial illusion. Another way to do it is to interlock your hands twice, at the knuckles and move your fingers individually one at a time with your eyes closed. Eventually, if done properly, you will cease "knowing" where your fingers are, and which is which, and the results are very bizarre feeling. I theorize that our brain keeps "placemarkers" of where certain parts of our body are. Notice how we don't really "feel" any part of our body until it undergoes stimulation; this is where its past position, and new position are looked up and reconfigured. It takes about half a second (.4 actually) for the brain to receive that signal from your fingers, which is a massive amount of time. The brain makes up for this by guesstimating ahead of time (we believe). Thus, I am inclined to believe that we are actually living subconsciously in the past, constantly lagging behind what is actually happening in reality. Our entire sense of time as far as the mind goes is actually dependent on how far from the brain the signal comes from (toes take longer to reach the brain). The fact that the brain pulls all this information together to make us "feel" like we're living in one moment is really quite a miraculous feat of biological engineering.

Haha, great thinking! I've read about the brain guesstimating somewhere else before, dont recall where ...

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I was once watching myself from behind watch Iron Chef on TV after Ketamine, very bizzare experience

Most if not all OBEs are caused by releases of the chemical DMT, which is produced in small amounts in the brain. It's been studied by a man named Rick Straussman in the 1990s and he has a book called "DMT:The Spirit Molecule" where he tested it on people and they reported very similar experiences to those who have experienced OBEs and NDEs. It's possible that the chemical DMT (which is also found in plants like the Ayahausca plant) could have some link the the "soul" or "spirit" and our soul and spirit could very well be a chemical like DMT (or it could be DMT). Asians (esp Chinese and Japanese) as well as Native Americans and other indigenous groups do believe that spirits can be found in plants and in the trees..it's possible that their insights could be proven true and the world is made up of "spirit matter". So essentially..when we die, we do go back into the Earth...and our spirit remains within it (that is heaven). But we can also experience other spirit worlds, which are discussed in depth in Graham Hancock's book "Supernatural".

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Originally posted by Spirit5 Most if not all OBEs are caused by releases of the chemical DMT, which is produced in small amounts in the brain. It's been studied by a man named Rick Straussman in the 1990s and he has a book called "DMT:The Spirit Molecule" where he tested it on people and they reported very similar experiences to those who have experienced OBEs and NDEs. It's possible that the chemical DMT (which is also found in plants like the Ayahausca plant) could have some link the the "soul" or "spirit" and our soul and spirit could very well be a chemical like DMT (or it could be DMT). Asians (esp Chinese and Japanese) as well as Native Americans and other indigenous groups do believe that spirits can be found in plants and in the trees..it's possible that their insights could be proven true and the world is made up of "spirit matter". So essentially..when we die, we do go back into the Earth...and our spirit remains within it (that is heaven). But we can also experience other spirit worlds, which are discussed in depth in Graham Hancock's book "Supernatural".

Dam ... I thought it was just me who knew about Ayahuasca plants and I completely agree that plants, trees and all living things have spirits in them.

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Has anyone here actually tried DMT? I did alot of research on it and all I know is it gives you alot of spirtual and religious experience and the cool thing is the whole thing may last 10-15 minutes but in your mind it could seems like hours!!!

Alot of people also have had alot of near death experiences with DMT as well.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer Has anyone here actually tried DMT? I did alot of research on it and all I know is it gives you alot of spirtual and religious experience and the cool thing is the whole thing may last 10-15 minutes but in your mind it could seems like hours!!! Alot of people also have had alot of near death experiences with DMT as well.

Yeah.

For some reason I have a feeling we were never meant to have access directly to synthetic DMT, because I think what you experience on it is something that's closer to the underlying "existence" than any other.

I read a book a while back stipulating that certain prophets such as Jesus actually had disproportionate natural abundance of DMT production in their pineal gland. Hence why they had such an intimate understanding of their specific spiritualities.

Not sure if I belief it, it's kind of hard to gather evidence of such a thing, but I do think it's an interesting and unique take on things.

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Originally posted by DJ Shibby Yeah. For some reason I have a feeling we were never meant to have access directly to synthetic DMT, because I think what you experience on it is something that's closer to the underlying "existence" than any other. I read a book a while back stipulating that certain prophets such as Jesus actually had disproportionate natural abundance of DMT production in their pineal gland. Hence why they had such an intimate understanding of their specific spiritualities. Not sure if I belief it, it's kind of hard to gather evidence of such a thing, but I do think it's an interesting and unique take on things.

Well, DMT is produced in literally hundreds of plants. So it doesn't have to be synthetic DMT at all. Many of them just happen to be growing in my greenhouse.

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Originally posted by Sunsnail Well, DMT is produced in literally hundreds of plants. So it doesn't have to be synthetic DMT at all. Many of them just happen to be growing in my greenhouse.

haha! nice.

I always wondered what would happen if grass got people high. Then I realized, in a sense, it can!

Not just in a sense, literally it can. Many Phalaris (its a grass) species contain a good amount of DMT.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Hmmmm ... I found this one interesting. Pretty soon there won't be anything that science couldn't be able to tackle: http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/...vr-outbody.html Through the goggles, the volunteer is viewing the back of his body, as seen from behind by the camera. He is also watching a plastic rod moving toward a location just below the camera while his real chest is simultaneously touched in the corresponding spot. (Image courtesy of Henrik Ehrsson/Science) More detailed story at: http://www.forbes.com/forbeslife/he...cout607615.html

its not interesting unless there are drugs involved