Registered: Jan 2004
Location: 9 Bywater Street, Chelsea, London
Would you support going to war with Iran?
I ask because of the following claims by an internet blogger (not the most reliable source I know, but we will be able to see in the next two weeks whether his claims are true or not):
quote:
Today I received a message from a friend who has excellent connections in Washington and whose information has often been prescient. According to this report, as in 2002, the rollout will start after Labor Day, with a big kickoff on September 11. My friend had spoken to someone in one of the leading neo-conservative institutions. He summarized what he was told this way:
They [the source's institution] have "instructions" (yes, that was the word used) from the Office of the Vice-President to roll out a campaign for war with Iran in the week after Labor Day; it will be coordinated with the American Enterprise Institute, the Wall Street Journal, the Weekly Standard, Commentary, Fox, and the usual suspects. It will be heavy sustained assault on the airwaves, designed to knock public sentiment into a position from which a war can be maintained.
Now I didn't support the invasion of Iraq, but I could sympathise with the British justifications for going in. I thought it was completely the wrong time, Afghanistan should have been a priority, Saddam posed no threat to the UK and it would be seen as being part of America's war on terror. I did, however, fundamentally disagree with America's justifications for going to war with Iraq.
But I am becoming more and more scared that the US is planning military action against Iran. The scary part is it seems such a stupid proposition to even contemplate going to war with Iran - but that is exactly what the most powerful country in the world is doing. Such power and such stupidity scares the shit out of me.
No way should America (or anyone else that gets dragged along with them) go to war with Iran. It would be a complete and utter disaster. More so than Iraq IMO
Aug-30-2007 15:52
LazFX
Supreme tranceaddict
Registered: Aug 2004
Location: 9th Circle
No..... simply put No. Not with this admin behind the wheel...anything that el busho states from here on out about his 'Idealogical War' should be taken with a grain of salt.... Plus allow Iran to make the first move. Allow them to continue to defy the UN.....
then and only then should we strike. and for once, allow some other country to take the lead, like the UK or France.. now that France is finally growing a pair
Aug-30-2007 16:19
venomX
ISO salty whenches
Registered: Apr 2001
Location: Vancouver, Canada
I'm gonna go with no. If the US decided to go to war with Iran, to be successful they would need to attack in full force and use some of their higher caliber bombs and whatnot. Using high grade weapons though would do nothing but further damage their relationship with everyone around the world. So they would probably either cut back on the amount of force used, which would lead to utter military failure, or go full Monty and risk a diplomatic mess. It's a lose-lose situation.
Orbax
At that point you kind of crossed the rubicon and you might as well lay siege to Rome
Aug-30-2007 19:12
Fir3start3r
Armin Acolyte
Registered: Oct 2001
Location: Toronto, ON, Canada
No U.N. sanctioned strike option?
Boourns...
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Aug-30-2007 20:12
George Smiley
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Registered: Jan 2004
Location: 9 Bywater Street, Chelsea, London
quote:
Originally posted by Fir3start3r
No U.N. sanctioned strike option?
Boourns...
If the UN told you to jump off a cliff would you?!
Aug-30-2007 21:11
ResonantDrag
BeanAddict
Registered: Mar 2001
Location: just visiting
quote:
Originally posted by George Smiley
If the UN told you to jump off a cliff would you?!
why would he? he would of died from old age before they arrived at that resolution
Aug-30-2007 22:26
Q5echo
asymetrical scepticism
Registered: Feb 2004
Location: Dallas
No, but make it abundantly clear that you'll leave all options on the table.
...then hope like hell Billary takes Iran half as seriously.
Aug-30-2007 23:08
Yohan
Champion of Deep&Nu-disco
Registered: Jan 2004
Location: Kitchener, Ont, Soviet Canuckistan
Having an UN sanction makes it more palatable for many other nations though.
Invading Iran now would be the craziest thing Bush can do. Afghanistan plus Iraq and now Iran? Where would the troops come from?
Originally posted by chinamon
not true. i say "ugh"
but i am a tranny.
quote:
Originally posted by kotsy
lol colour me retarded
Aug-31-2007 00:31
hardcore trancer
Mystic Mind
Registered: Jan 2002
Location: Toronto,Canada
Def voting no on this issue.To be honest I have been reading alot of articles similar to what George has posted going even back to 2005 and non of it has come true.Iam sure behind the curtin they are def planning their options against Iran.
It seems like once again this admin is underestimating another country just like how they thought Iraq was going to be a easy one.I sure hope they are doing their homework on Iran because Iran will will not be easy to defeat at all.They will be facing an actual army plus the guerilla style battles and we all know that the Americans are simply not good at that.
Bottom line,the U.S curently would not win a war with a country like Iran,simply because their military is over streched unless they have a draft which I highly doubt it ll work.So their last option would to use Israel to do the job for them and if thats the case say goodbye to Israel.
Registered: Oct 2001
Location: Toronto, ON, Canada
quote:
Originally posted by George Smiley
If the UN told you to jump off a cliff would you?!
But wasn't that one of the biggest points of contention with the States going in Iraq...non-U.N. approval?
quote:
Originally posted by ResonantDrag
why would he? he would of died from old age before they arrived at that resolution
LOL! Sad but true...
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Sep-01-2007 03:48
Magnetonium
Dubstep = Douchestep
Registered: Sep 2001
Location: Port Burwell, Ontario, Canada
I actually chose the 4th option - to CONSIDER using airstrikes, but not attacking. Iran needs to feel like it cant just do anything it wants. It has to abide by its obligations and international laws. I am a bit alarmed at their nuclear weapons aspirations. I doubt that they are doing it for fuel - they have enough gas and oil to last a long long time.
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Sep-01-2007 16:54
Fir3start3r
Armin Acolyte
Registered: Oct 2001
Location: Toronto, ON, Canada
quote:
Originally posted by Magnetonium
I actually chose the 4th option - to CONSIDER using airstrikes, but not attacking. Iran needs to feel like it cant just do anything it wants. It has to abide by its obligations and international laws. I am a bit alarmed at their nuclear weapons aspirations. I doubt that they are doing it for fuel - they have enough gas and oil to last a long long time.
That's what I don't get either Mag.
They already have enough energy that they're exporting it so why do they suddenly need nuclear?
They can't use the, 'It's cleaner' rouse while looking out their windows at oil factories and refineries.
And it's not like they're lacking any sunlight so why not solar panels or some other alternative energy?
All they want is a political bargaining chip.
It wouldn't be so bad if they were so damn ornery.
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